Wedge
Public area => The Pub => Plugins => Topic started by: Arantor on February 29th, 2012, 02:21 PM
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Well, it's officially a plugin and has plenty to be done on it (no screenshots, sorry). Because of that, this post is going to be my todo list.
* SMF bug 4483(http://dev.simplemachines.org/mantis/view.php?id=4483) - SSI recent events doesn't handle future events, so a future events facility needs to be added.
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Any news/progress on this one?
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It'll be finished when I can be bothered to make it work properly.
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What are you working on these days, Pete..? (If anything.)
Would like to know if we can expect you to work on fixing anything that could prevent a public alpha?
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:/ That sounds awfully like an expectation.
I'm working on the ban stuff, since while we can go to a private alpha without that, because I already warned everyone before it even got released, we cannot go to a public alpha without that. The ban system as it stands is actually broken, and it's incredibly complicated to design a completely new one, but I'm almost at a point where I can commit something for testing here.
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:/ That sounds awfully like an expectation.
I'm working on the ban stuff, since while we can go to a private alpha without that, because I already warned everyone before it even got released, we cannot go to a public alpha without that. The ban system as it stands is actually broken, and it's incredibly complicated to design a completely new one, but I'm almost at a point where I can commit something for testing here.
Is IPv6 usable?
And what about the board permission stuff? What if you commit a crappy UI for it, but a UI that actually works..?
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Well... If I say I don't expect anything, there's a chance you'll never get to work on this. No offence intended.
Good then.
Is IPv6 usable?
And what about the board permission stuff? What if you commit a crappy UI for it, but a UI that actually works..?
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It'll be finished when I can be bothered to make it work properly.
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I'd rather be honest than fob you off with some misguided hope. It's a large plugin and it's never been one that I've been interested in, but when I get motivated, I'll go to town and make it work properly, and with some extra features. It's the same reason why it's not substantially changed in SMF in years either, because no-one who actually cares about the functionality uses it.
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Understood, thanks :cool:
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A funny thing happened to me just now, which goes to show how long it's been since I looked at it - the last change predates my rewrite of the theme/member options stuff which was months ago... and it doesn't even let me install it as a result.
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OK, so you wanted an update.
It's very seriously nadgered by the way I just excised it from the core. While I dumped all the code into the plugin, I didn't exactly do it carefully, and I didn't realise how little of it really works.
Fortunately, I have a few things that need doing architecturally anyway with it, so it's not like I'm overly attached to its code and have no fear of breaking things :D
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Nice one :cool:
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Your thoughts would also be appreciated in http://wedge.org/pub/feats/7698/calendar/
I wanted a place to centrally gather all the feature requests without it being like it's out already ;)
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Why build a calendar plugin when we can use Google API, they have for Android which pushes notification to your devices?
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Why should we do anything when there are other systems out there that can do it already? Why are we developing Wedge when we can use SMF, which has a ton of themes and mods already?
Why the fuck should I worry about burning my free time on something that can be replaced by something 'better'? It seems like every way I turn, someone's recommending something 'better' that is a substitute.
Maybe I have a private community that I don't want (or can't be) shared with third party systems. Maybe it's for an intranet that doesn't have internet access. Maybe I care about my users' privacy enough not to force them into Google tentacles. Or maybe this is yet another sign that I should just fuck off out of trying to develop forum platforms and do something productive with my life, like writing games.
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No one say you need to, just looking for options rather than building a plugin or in the core that I don't want like you do.
Now I remember about privacy, I tend to forget about that. Didn't mean you any harms, Arantor.
I guess my last post was a little misunderstood which wasn't clear.
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I appreciate what you have done so far, so please don't stop :cool:
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I have to be honest, that's encouragement I do need right now.
It just seems like every time I suggest something of late, I'm presented with the feeling that it's a stupid idea and that I should just use someone else's work instead (never mind whether it's suitable or not, just that I shouldn't bother with my own ideas and just work on reusing everyone else's)
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I am 62 YO so believe me I know life is full of these hiccups ::) but what you and Nao have built here is something unique and precious, as very few are able to do the same as what you both have accomplished in so sort a time. When it's released and being used on millions of websites you will be proud. :eheh:
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Reusing code only works if its right for the project, you are a smart man and between you and Nao you all know what is best for your project.
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And therein lies the problem. I actually had a sort of related discussion earlier on today that touches on this.
Nao and I have an awkward position: we're just not able to throw any old code together and push it out. Even if we were cowboys without scruples, we certainly shouldn't be doing that. Being the project developers is a responsibility - buying into our platform means we have certain responsibilities as part of that.
One of those responsibilities, as far as I'm concerned, is making sure users have their data to themselves. If they want to integrate it with third parties for whom privacy is a buzzword to toss around, that's their problem, not mine. But that's not really the issue that irks me so much.
What gets me is when people are quite prepared to suggest that I toss aside something I've spent a lot of time and energy on, so they get their shiny thing quicker (because if I'm not working on something, presumably I can drain my spare time off into fixing some of the other stuff). They forget that what gets done around here is solely down to Nao and I having the time and energy to do it, and every time I hear 'you shouldn't bother with that, you should just use <x>', I can't help but see hypocrisy in it. And that annoys me immensely.
Take this very example. There are reasons why I could dispense with the calendar. Some people don't want it, and that's cool. But to suggest I should stop working on it (when I was quite enthusiastic about it!) just because there are 'more important' things to work on is a great fallacy and one only enjoyed by the ignorance of what's involved.
See, Wedge isn't just a forum software. It's a platform at the heart of a (currently very small) ecosystem. The core doesn't need a calendar, as evidenced here. But the ecosystem does, and I can't rely on third parties to develop it (either as a self contained feature or integrated into Google Tentacleplex), so I have to do it - and I think a lot of people actually forget things like that. But I can't forget it. I don't have that luxury, I wish I did, because it would make my life a lot less stressful.
Let me add a little something to the party. I have a spreadsheet listing SMF mods. I'm not ashamed to admit this, but it lists every mod on the mod site as far as I was able to compile it, and by the name of each mod, I have a listing for 'yes', 'no', 'maybe', 'should be core' and 'is already core'. There are about 1600 items on this list, of which there are nearly 300 to-do items on there, almost 600 no's, and about 500 maybes, the rest being made up by as-core or already core, or in 11 cases so far, ones where plugins exist to replace that functionality.
That is, ultimately, how I see the ecosystem. There's so much left to do. And I would really appreciate people not telling me that I shouldn't bother and just hand it off to a third party who cannot be trusted to do anything.
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Yep, sure some of us want our shinys and think that ours is more important then everyone else's. From my own programing experiences, I found that you need to do what you want to do first. Always caving to someone else's wants and priorities, only burns you out.
That said when hitting the proverbial brick wall, it's sometimes better to take a break and work on something else. Who knows you might stumble on that thing that had you stumped while working on something else.
Then sometimes you just have to release without certain "non-critical" features, with the intent of adding them in later, no matter how much you want them in at that moment. One, it does give you that break and allows those that were crying for it, to have something, even if its not perfect (feature wise of course). Two, It will appease some but you will always have those that will say its not enough. Well forget them and just do what you think is best. :)
Personally I'm glad you have that to do list based on SMF mods. There are many mods for SMF that I often thought should be part of the core. There are somethings that just preform better when part of the core and when something is so widely used, maybe it is better to have them there, perhaps with the possibility to shut them off for sites that may not want them.
I'm sure you have a lot on your plate and somethings it might be easier to say let someone else do it, except for the fact that I know that you would do a much better job then just about anyone else including the original concept author. When nobody knows the way Wedge works better then you and Nao... As big of a fan I am of Mr. Bracket's work on SMF and YaBB SE, even he doesn't know the variations in this code as good as you guys. So I'm quite certain that just about anything you guys may want to add either as part of the core or as a plugin will be better then anyone else working on it. For that reason alone I would never tell you to "let someone else do it". Beside you'll just end up redoing it later and possibly offending the person that was working on it in between. :)