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Title: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: nend on March 11th, 2013, 07:51 PM

Maybe get on a few nerves here, but this is my opinion.

I don't mind women in the workplace, but there are certain things that bother me.

One situation I can think of happen recently, well it happens quite often, but I will speak of a certain instance. One day there was a box that needed to be put up. Not really a heavy box maybe around 5 to 10lbs. Will a young lady asked me to pick it up because in her old words "I am too much of a girly girl.". I am thinking to myself then why are you even working here and why should I be making the same amount as her when I have to exert more energy on the job. Like I said this wouldn't bother me too much but it is a constant thing. You know if she asked once in a long while to pick up something that is actually heavy.

Don't get me wrong there are plenty of women that pull their weight around but ones like the one who should be nameless above really @#$% me off.

Another thing not so bad though but the door thing. You know how it is polite to hold open a door for a lady. This don't bother me but don't take advantage of it ladies. When I am about to enter a convince store, hold the door open for my wife and child and here comes a line who also wants the door open, well true story. I actually held the door open for so long that my wife was already waiting for me at the checkout.

Enough rant, but it does get on my nerves and figured I would vent it here.

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: Arantor on March 11th, 2013, 08:01 PM

>_<

I sympathise, though. I remember the office job I used to work in, men had to wear shirt + tie, women... not so much. The rules just seemed so lax by comparison and the rules weren't often properly enforced.

Mind you. I got my own back in the end. Even then - and we're going back almost a decade now - I had long hair and had it tied back. Until my hairband snapped one day and the head of HR saw me and was all "why isn't your hair tied back?"

Now, remember, I was just a lowly grunt at this point in time, I was pretty much working in the mail room. I never met the 'customer', never spoke to them, etc. so there was really no need for me to look entirely presentable.

But the head of HR... was a woman and had long hair. And I utter the magic words - no, not 'Surely you see the hypocrisy of what you're saying?' but simply "I don't see any rules that the women also have to have their hair tied back. Are you going to discriminate against me because I'm male?" or words to that effect. Certainly 'discrimination' was the word used. The look on her face was priceless.

Then a couple of years later (and a change of HR boss later), I was on temporary assignment to the facilities department. and for health and safety reasons, we didn't wear ties. But of course when I returned back to my old stomping ground, back to the ties. And I gently took my boss aside and made mention of the whole gender discrimination angle, followed by the fact that 'unless Facilities is going to change paper in the printers, and the fax machines and whatnot, it's also a health and safety issue', and then there was a meeting with HR and a few weeks later it was announced that ties were no longer a requirement. Funny that.

I have absolutely no issue with equality in the workplace, as far as practical but the door swings both ways.

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: nend on March 11th, 2013, 08:08 PM

Quote from Arantor on March 11th, 2013, 08:01 PM

I have absolutely no issue with equality in the workplace, as far as practical but the door swings both ways.

Same here, just seems like they got more rights then us men folk. Didn't always used to be this way, spare the history lesson when women really didn't have rights, but I just wish for equality.

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: Suki on March 11th, 2013, 08:09 PM

Don't complicate yourself, don't help the lady to pick up things and don't hold the door for them.

The grass is always greener on the other side.

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: Arantor on March 11th, 2013, 08:12 PM

Yeah, but then we're accused of being pig-headed, arrogant and/or misogynistic.

/mehas been down this road.

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: nend on March 11th, 2013, 08:21 PM

Quote from Suki on March 11th, 2013, 08:09 PM

Don't complicate yourself, don't help the lady to pick up things and don't hold the door for them.

The grass is always greener on the other side.

Don't always work that way...

At a ice house I worked in between jobs brings up another situation. It was a ice house so they could only afford a limited amount of staff. There was always plenty of work though, however we did have one slacker. The place didn't want to get rid of her though because they feared that she would later on sue them for gender discrimination. However bagging and stacking ice had to be done, however she was excused from it since she was a women. While we bagged and stacked the ice, the labor part she just sat in a nice warm office and didn't do a thing. She did help with the hauling however that was done with power equipment and hand trucks. Once again same pay more exertion done by myself. Maybe I can turn it around and said the company discriminated against me due to me being a male and made me do more work, ah whats the use.

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: Suki on March 11th, 2013, 08:36 PM

Quote from Suki on March 11th, 2013, 08:09 PM

The grass is always greener on the other side.

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: Arantor on March 11th, 2013, 08:44 PM

No, it isn't, that's the point. The point is that from experience, men can't possibly be right, whatever we do it's wrong.

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: Suki on March 11th, 2013, 08:49 PM

My point is that anyone can rant about injustice and gender, a woman can also rant about injustice just as easily as men and their rants are just as valid to them as mens rants are valid to men.

There will never be anything like gender equality.

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: Arantor on March 11th, 2013, 08:55 PM

Sure they can. But it's funny how when women do it, it's 'liberation' and 'because we live in a gender biased society' as though it is a legitimate complaint, but when men complain about it, it's wrong that we're complaining about it.

Like I said, it works both ways.

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a woman can also rant about injustice just as easily as men and their rants are just as valid to them as mens rants are valid to men

Except you're implying that the rants are both invalid. They're both equally valid, in that there's a problem. It's how the rants are perceived. You've obviously decided that it's acceptable for men to be discriminated against as long as women aren't.

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: nend on March 11th, 2013, 08:57 PM

If I program a robot to lift it better lift and not give me problems about if I programmed x or y in its software routine when x or y doesn't affect its lifting capabilities. Especially when the x routine is used and the load is well within the boundaries of the software and hardware.

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: Suki on March 11th, 2013, 09:01 PM

I just said each gender have its own unique set of rants and each gender thinks the other gender gets better treatment. It has always been like that. Never said anything about rants being invalid.

The only reason why is labeled as "liberation" is because we live in a male oriented society. There are many cultures under matriarchy that has the same complaints exept is the other way around, when mens complain it gets viewed as "liberation", simply because is a matriarchy  society.

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: Arantor on March 11th, 2013, 09:06 PM

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each gender thinks the other gender gets better treatment.

That's just your opinion. It's wrong, but we'll let that go for a minute.

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There are many cultures under matriarchy that has the same complaints exept is the other way around, when mens complain it gets viewed as "liberation", simply because is a matriarchy  society.

Except you don't understand why this is wrong. The complaints of one gender vs the other are not suddenly more legitimate because of whichever gender is currently dominant. Both sides have legitimate complaints, except one side's arguments are respected as 'liberation' and the other side's is NOT respected because that's sexist.

Consider, for example, spousal abuse. If a man hits a woman, that's thoroughly wrong - as it should be. But what if a woman hits a man? Don't tell me it doesn't happen. It's just as wrong, but it's perceived differently because of the gender bias.

Drop the 'liberation' nonsense. Drop the 'grass is greener' nonsense. Both sides have inequalities. Both sides would do well to remember the opinions of the other side.

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: Suki on March 11th, 2013, 09:12 PM

Again, never said anything about one gender rants being more legitimate than the other, I simply said both genders has rants, whatever way you want to see them is up to you.

Sidenot, on Opera 12.14 the page does this weird bouncing thing.

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: nend on March 11th, 2013, 09:18 PM

Quote from Suki on March 11th, 2013, 09:01 PM

I just said each gender have its own unique set of rants and each gender thinks the other gender gets better treatment.

In the case of doing more work due to gender, how is it justified that just because I am male I have to exert more energy by doing more of the heavy lifting. Energy isn't free, I have to get my energy from substance. So spending more money on substance and still getting the same pay. Which if you think about it in mathematical terms I am actually getting paid less since I have to spend some of my pay on substance to do the extra work.

This isn't a complaint about doing more work, but spending more and getting same back in return.

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: Suki on March 11th, 2013, 09:22 PM

.__.

I'm not justifying anything. I'm not defending anything here.

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: Maxx on March 11th, 2013, 09:22 PM

The Woman is right and we are left... in the rain by law and rain is another one of those little Big words!
 
 Every thing men do, if you think about it is for Women, Hell I can stay in a log house in the woods with the bare needs, and it place to sleep, Now what's wrong this plan. but as soon as a women comes in to place everything has got to change, Even you or you you lost the log house you made and the food you earned and the work and land you planed.
 
 I really wish the they were equal, and take responsibility for there actions, this kind of like judicial Mafia if you ask me, at lease here in the US of A.
Don't get me wrong Woman do their fare share, but when it comes down to tacks and nails, the nails are stronger but the tack sure hurt and get you infected in more then one way hurt!
Never wrong and have the last word, or look out, hands behind you back!
JMHO, wait til your 50+ to get hitched, then you'll need someone to talk to and co-air pains with! and it's too late for them to try and change you into their girlfriend!
regards,
Maxx

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: Oracle on March 12th, 2013, 01:29 AM

Absolute GOLD that Pete...

I've nothing against women in fact, I felt they were a necessity in the workplace. But the way things are going with this bullshit equality thing is an utter joke. I commend you on your past victories more of these are needed to restore the balance.

Why is it not the case during divorce that the equality flag is NOT raised???/

They (as in women) end up with the lions share of the spoils under the guise of providing a roof over the child's head (as is the case) yet no consideration is given to the poor bastard that's had to work and save his entire life for the family home, not to mention other wealth he may have accumulated before marriage (case in point). They happily accept the judges decision to be awarded upward of 75% of the husbands total wealth and so waddle into the sunset fully armed with child on hip and in a position to start a new life unhindered by monetary restraints. Meanwhile the bread winner has to reinvent himself, go through intense hardship and in most cases never recoup the losses or able to forge out a new life for themselves as easily as their counterparts.

When the child commences smoking and indulging in life's unending array of vices why then is the family home not sold and divied up equally between spouse and husband>. Only one case but its spreading across the globe and when a challenge is made on the mere males part the "ol hell hath no fury like a women..." scenario emerges. Guys are such bastards but its all well and good to be bigger bastards and fleece us of our worldly possessions and leave us penniless while women make a mockery of it all. This kind of mindset is becoming an institution of sorts where its now becoming commonplace for women to go through their apprenticeship of getting married and divorced numerous times to achieve her lifelong target of financial freedom. Contrary to popular belief of course.

Men need to make a stand and build on the little things like your workplace victory, to counter the emerging position of control women have carefully carved out for their own...Germaine Greer is a person I total detest as she's empowered women and has destroyed their femininity completely. You only have to look @ the new breed roaming around now and see how the standards have dropped....in the western world that is. From our perspective, it all starts with the little things like the hair band and tie scenario you highlighted. we must build on that. Great stuff and good on you for sharing.

In case your wondering I'm not speaking from personal experience just making observations from various predicaments etc. that have come before me from time to time.

Enough is enough, if we're portrayed as bastards and fair prey for our opposites then lets do unto others as they do unto us.

I rest my case.

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: Nao on March 12th, 2013, 10:48 AM

Quote from Arantor on March 11th, 2013, 08:12 PM

Yeah, but then we're accused of being pig-headed, arrogant and/or misogynistic.

/mehas been down this road.

If nend has one particular lady 'abuse' her status, then he should just tell her to get stuffed. Not women in general, just her, for abusing him. That's not being miso-soup, that's being honest.

Posted: March 12th, 2013, 10:36 AM

Quote from Suki on March 11th, 2013, 08:49 PM

My point is that anyone can rant about injustice and gender, a woman can also rant about injustice just as easily as men and their rants are just as valid to them as mens rants are valid to men.

There will never be anything like gender equality.

Especially not for pretty women; centuries of male dominance make habits stick, and they're almost always seen as trophies, rather than human beings. At that point, when the person realizes it, she can either abuse that vision (and thus be labeled a bitch), or avoid any human contact. Not exactly a desirable position.

Posted: March 12th, 2013, 10:45 AM

Quote from Suki on March 11th, 2013, 09:12 PM

Sidenot, on Opera 12.14 the page does this weird bouncing thing.

Nothing I could notice here.

Posted: March 12th, 2013, 10:46 AM

Quote from Arantor on March 11th, 2013, 09:06 PM

Consider, for example, spousal abuse. If a man hits a woman, that's thoroughly wrong - as it should be. But what if a woman hits a man? Don't tell me it doesn't happen. It's just as wrong, but it's perceived differently because of the gender bias.

Absolutely. Supposedly, men can take care of themselves.
Well, if they're well-educated enough, they also know that violence isn't the solution to violence... Not that they COULDN'T handle themselves, they'd just decide NOT TO.
That's where it gets funny... No?

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: Suki on March 12th, 2013, 02:49 PM

About the bouncing issue, I think it started it when I switch to quick reply on by default.

And thanks.

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: Nao on March 12th, 2013, 02:51 PM

Hmm, whatever Opera bugs are, it's hard to go and look into them when you know that they'll eventually drop Presto for WebKit, and thus will get a host of new bugs but not the original ones they used to have until now... :(

And thanks for what? :^^;:

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: Maxx on March 12th, 2013, 02:56 PM

Well Equal work deserves equal pay, and equal treatment, when all is equal, means just that, ... But also, like I said enter the woman and all things must change and that should not be. And all of this depends on the Work Place it's self, what is the JOB? and the Job description!
 
 When Is was out in the Wood logging for 25 cents Cleaned and loaded delivered  log, I never once saw a woman.
 There may be some jobs, they just can't do, just to feed the family or in my case to by my own clothing while going to school, and so I could eat lunch with the rest. In today's world a man is stuck between a wall and a hard place, If the Woman says it the court believes it to be true, when a dispute comes u between to two. ( I know there are many cases of abuse, and that's not right), but here the woman just needs to get tired of being married and you lose! even the damn dog!
 
 I know things have changed, and allot but, let's not get crazy, women have already changed things so you can not discipline your own children, ( not talking abuse), and then you need to answer to or go to jail for what they do, and on the other hand Children are not allowed to be a child, grow up like a child or become a man or a woman, know one knows what right or wrong anymore, and here if you know not the law, you will pay anyway.
 
 The Office is not the only work place, it's only the place most want. And If we don't get some men busy fixing the Construction and infrastructures of our countries. the little ladies homes will come crashing down.
Most everyone these days, are under the illusion that everything is done fro the virtual word, and the hard working people are pissed on, and their jobs sent to countries that people have to work in slavery for food for the families just to keep them going and they best not get sick.
We are losing the real job, here the future and not many can even work the hard jobs for the lack pay( no more back bone of our existence.
Remember from the very beginning, all or every penny in existence then and now, was made from the blood, sweet and tears of the working Man and, In those days many Women and Children.
Equal Pay for Equal work, no special treatment for anyone and if the boss can not work, he/she should get out of there! after all is a Team!
Again I wish we all were equal, this its meant to be.
JMHO
maxx

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: Suki on March 12th, 2013, 04:33 PM

@Nao, yes, let us hope for the best :(

Little rant about Chrome, why do they need to shove it to you with every thing you download?  every adobe flash update comes with chrome... why? if it is that great why do they need to pretty much force it to you?

@MaxxProfile  You do realize that you are the ones that creates the differences right? Take the very first post here for example, if you want equality then either help other men to puck up things and hold the door for other men or simply do not do any of those things for anyone.

Nothing will make me happier than been treated like an equal...

The only reason why I was accepted in SMF team back in 2010 is because I'm a woman, not because I was good at support or anything, that stuff came in latter, the very first approach was because I'm a woman.

Believe me, been a woman in a third world, misogynist country, I better than anyone else knows about gender discrimination. Heck, I suffer it on a daily basics :P

It is bad that womens on your country take advantages of their position, there are all kinds of womans and there are all kinds of men too, generalizing a whole gender based on specific cases doesn't do any good.

What I'm saying is that both gender takes advantages and both genders sees themselves as victims.

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: Arantor on March 12th, 2013, 04:38 PM

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hold the door for other men or simply do not do any of those things for anyone.

And yet again you miss the point, or conveniently ignore it because it doesn't fit your argument. If we don't hold the door, etc., we're considered impolite or arrogant, or superior, etc. So we're damned if we do, damned if we don't. Just being damned if we do is less worse than being damned if we don't, it seems.

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The only reason why I was accepted in SMF team back in 2010 is because I'm a woman, not because I was good at support or anything, that stuff came in latter, the very first approach was because I'm a woman.

Don't play the 'victim' card. It's not because of that, it's because you spent time hanging around and have some idea what you're talking about (more than most), which is what they were looking for.

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Believe me, been a woman in a third world, misogynist country, I better than anyone else knows about gender discrimination. Heck, I suffer it on a daily basics

Stop playing the victim card, it does you no favours. Don't make me say the L word because that provokes the 'woe is me' attitude again.

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It is bad that womens on your country take advantages of their position, there are all kinds of womans and there are all kinds of men too, generalizing a whole gender based on specific cases doesn't do any good.

But that's the point we're trying to make. If they can't take advantage, they cry repression.

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What I'm saying is that both gender takes advantages and both genders sees themselves as victims.

In your country, maybe. Not here.

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: Suki on March 12th, 2013, 04:47 PM

Oh! the bouncing thing fires up whenever I want to click the quote button :)

I'm not playing the victim, I'm simply saying both genders have issues with the other gender, that is all. You can rant all you want, it won't change a thing.

I hav eno other argument other than letting you know that both genders have issues and both genders have rants, I do not care if those rants are valid or not, I stopped caring about it ages ago.

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: Maxx on March 12th, 2013, 05:10 PM

Well,
 
 I'm old school, I hold the door for women, men and children and even though they walk trough and don't even look back, but I am what I am and made it by myself, from the helper's helper to the top ( if there is such a position) and My boss in the military was A women, not a bad thing because she was the same way, not thinking about genders, just getting the job done and the best way possible. ( it's all about life and it's future, why are we even talking about Women, they already have all the rights, when comes down to it! ( here anyway).
But that's because here in the USA and UK, most of Free Europe...We all had to fight to be free, no matter what it took or who die in the process, until women are prepared to do the same on all counts, they should start thanking man for what he has done for us all! ( and this Goes for Some men as well )... if you want to do it you will and nothing will stop you!
 
 My point is no one knows any more, or are no to sure where they stand, and it's all on the ground and it up to each of us to find our own way!
 
 In the US from the beginning till now we all were refugees and had to fight to be free, no matter the race religion, or sexual orientation.
We need to take a few steps back, and realize that one needs to work to make it, or die trying! If not for this we have, would be no more!
One thing I have learned in my days is that the ones that hold you back, in most cases are the ones closest to you, like woman, various nationalities and or races, take advantage of their own. the rest you may blame on the media if you like!
if you can do the job, no issues, if not get to stepping! I bowl to no Man or Woman or God! you are your Own God! and all get the same respect until proven otherwise!
regards,
Maxx

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: Suki on March 12th, 2013, 05:18 PM

And again, I have no issues with whatever argument you guys are trying to do. I never said your rants weren't valid or anything.

I've never been in Europe, only the US so I have no idea what is like over there, over here, things are difficult for woman, I was just trying to let you guys know that issues for both genders do exists, I have no intentions to trying to arguing  which issues are valid and which are not.

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: Maxx on March 12th, 2013, 05:39 PM

You are very correct and allot of Countries the Women are Highly or vastly being abused, and molested, and this is not at all right or even acceptable, to use by any means, but we are talking here. and it's totally up you you and your people to deal with it there. But this is a path that is not easy to follow by any means!
But now days we have what too much on our own plates to take on more. So it's up to those countries or territories to fight there own demons as we have. that's all I saying it was not easy for us and took many many years and deaths as with destruction to rebuild in a newer way, at least we thought! lol!
Some countries are fighting back at the system, not know what the outcome will be, but they believe it's got to be better!


regards,
maxx

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: nend on March 12th, 2013, 07:12 PM

Speaking of military men once they reach 18 in the USA where I live are required to register with the selective service by law. Just means you have to sign just in case a war breaks out and your needed, like it or not. Women are not required to do this.

Also auto insurance is cheaper for women here...

Equality...

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: Arantor on March 12th, 2013, 07:17 PM

I won't speak for the military aspect; but as far as car insurance goes, that's true here too - but it isn't a sexist thing. It is simply that the insurance companies receive fewer claims against insurance from women.

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: nend on March 12th, 2013, 08:21 PM

Just like race and religion, gender shouldn't be a factor. I strongly believe this should be illegal for insurance companies to do. In my life I only had one accident. However at my age I don't believe they factor in gender.

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: Suki on March 12th, 2013, 08:29 PM

For the military aspect, at least one of the first reasons was simply because countries needed a reliable source of mens for war and for sustain their economy during war times, if they sent their womans to war they can potentially lose because they will be cutting off their source of population, less womans equals less population which means less army forces.

Oh, and please do not takes this the wrong way, I'm not justifying anything and I'm not saying is good or bad, I'm simply stating one of the very first reasons why women didn't go to war.

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: Maxx on March 12th, 2013, 09:03 PM

OK here we go...population, there is now problem with this there are way too many people on this planet, the experts say this planet will, or would be at it's peak at the rate of some 500 million in population, and I can name a few counties that have close to 1 billion if not more.
 if anything we need less population in survive this mess, people infestation, as some may view it. I think we not populate for another five years or so at the very least!
Now this is much bigger issue that needs more attention than, equality for the woman in the Workplace/Life!
regards,
Maxx

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: Oracle on March 12th, 2013, 10:37 PM

Yeah its your fault Suki... :lol: :lol: > Just kidding.

For the record I love women, the feminine kind not the ones I previously described that manipulate the system to no end.

GG and our legal fraternity are @ the heart of my woes so nothing personal eh.

I've seen too many of my friends relatives go through the mill and yeah is frustrating when there's not much one can do about their situation.

You cant regulate everything I guess so maybe we should bypass convention and treat each other with the dignity and respect that we all deserve. Your 50-50% analogy is good but without forcing it down our throats as some seem to do.

Different people, customs, situations... pretty hard to get one size to fit all.

Unfortunately in regards to population as evidenced by the worlds stance on climate change, earthlings can be categorized as being experts in crisis management. Leaving the hard decisions until the tipping point is reached then we act. It will all be too late if we let things slide any longer food will be a major issue for all.

 

Posted: March 12th, 2013, 10:11 PM

Quote from nend on March 12th, 2013, 08:21 PM

Just like race and religion, gender shouldn't be a factor. I strongly believe this should be illegal for insurance companies to do. In my life I only had one accident. However at my age I don't believe they factor in gender.

Probably need to be applying for a pensioner discount...then again the women behind the counter will pass that on a percentage basis with females receiving a more favourable outcome. Problem is the ratio between genders heavily leans toward the skirt. Whether we like it or not its no longer a mans world!

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: Arantor on March 23rd, 2013, 04:24 AM

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/03/22/donglestorm/

The summary: two guys while sat in a conference shake off-colour jokes, feminist gets the conference staff involved, having also taken a photo and tweeted about it (and later blogged about it)

I'm not going to defend what the guys said - because it was a stupid thing to say, in a semi-public environment, but the woman misses the point *so* badly. Yup, she defends her actions with what amounts to "I didn't want to tell them to stop because I didn't want to be heckled or have my experience denied".

Just evaluate that for a moment. Instead of politely asking the guys to stop, she has to go and photograph and publicly name and shame them, and that prompts the conference organisers to eject them.

Now, I will repeat what I said: I'm not going to defend what the guys did, because it was inappropriate and stupid. But so were her actions. Playing the sex card to get inappropriate behaviour stopped wasn't necessary. (And she's a massive hypocrite too, but reality distortion sets in when that gets tackled)

I'd love to see more women in IT. But this sort of endeavour sets it back far more than it would possibly help >_<

Title: Re: Women in the Workplace/Life
Post by: spoogs on March 23rd, 2013, 06:26 AM

I read about that earlier and I have to say I completely agree with you. Not to mention it did bring some tension into the  home as my lady happens to be an HR Coordinator and agreed with the young woman until I asked a simple question

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If the guys were employees at your company, would have wanted to find out about said situation via Twitter or other public means, or have that young lady give you a call or shoot you an email privately?

She got silent for a about 20 minutes and agreed the young lady handled the situation extremey poorly.