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Title: And people wonder why I think Facebook Connect is a bad thing
Post by: Arantor on February 8th, 2013, 02:12 PM
http://allthingsd.com/20130207/in-one-fell-swoop-apparent-facebook-glitch-deep-sixes-the-web/

Just read it, watch the video and then you'll understand why I find it awkward.
Title: Re: And people wonder why I think Facebook Connect is a bad thing
Post by: Nao on February 8th, 2013, 02:19 PM
Lorenzo posted it earlier today in the thoughts I think ;)
Title: Re: And people wonder why I think Facebook Connect is a bad thing
Post by: Arantor on February 8th, 2013, 02:22 PM
He did. I'm posting it here for posterity!
Title: Re: And people wonder why I think Facebook Connect is a bad thing
Post by: Nao on February 8th, 2013, 03:42 PM
Because thoughts aren't? :P
Granted, there's a hidden option to delete year-old thoughts, but I don't think it's enabled at all... ;)
Title: Re: And people wonder why I think Facebook Connect is a bad thing
Post by: Arantor on February 8th, 2013, 05:14 PM
They are, but they're perceived to be a transient thing.

Also, the option you're thinking of is actually commented out in the code and the default is 3 years not 1 ;)
Title: Re: And people wonder why I think Facebook Connect is a bad thing
Post by: kimikelku on February 8th, 2013, 07:54 PM
I remember when i was moderator in a vbulletin forum, and in that time vb didnt came with facebook integration, so he had a plugin for that, and they had some strange code type for the iframe tags to see who liked and followed, and they droped that, so conclusion people couldnt register to the board and since the was no system to install that mod, it was editing the files itself, took alot of time to fix it.
And then we have the api changing every time.
Title: Re: And people wonder why I think Facebook Connect is a bad thing
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on February 8th, 2013, 08:02 PM
I'm wondering if we should think about a different implementation of YouTube (or generic websites) video embedding. Iframe is dangerous too, both for privacy concerns and for this example..
Title: Re: And people wonder why I think Facebook Connect is a bad thing
Post by: Arantor on February 8th, 2013, 08:27 PM
Any kind of embedding of any content you don't have *total control* over is fundamentally dangerous. Even down to attachments, potentially, if you think about it.

It's all about what is acceptable risk.

Content inside an iframe theoretically should not normally be able to break out of the iframe. At least that's how it's supposed to be implemented. From a practicality and usability perspective, it's better than using Flash to embed video.

Privacy is a much thornier issue, and it's why crap like the half-assed cookie law came into play.[1]

The only way to get around that, then, is to simply not embed anything. That's cool, it's an option. Site owners have the choice.

They do also have the choice to use/not use FB Connect. MY choice is to not put them in the core. I have no problems defending this logic: aside from the practicalities attached to maintaining APIs as a core feature, I am wary of encouraging admins to defer control of authentication to a third party.

The fact that FB connect usually doesn't generate good forum participation is a small matter.
 1. The intent of the law is sound. The implementation is not.
Title: Re: And people wonder why I think Facebook Connect is a bad thing
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on February 8th, 2013, 09:05 PM
Why not having a function to grab an image for video preview (the exact name doesn't come to my mind right now), make it link and let the user go to youtube/video website directly (target="_blank")? Of course there should be a caching mechanism for all video preview images.
Title: Re: And people wonder why I think Facebook Connect is a bad thing
Post by: Arantor on February 8th, 2013, 09:06 PM
YT does actually have a static image preview IIRC.
Title: Re: And people wonder why I think Facebook Connect is a bad thing
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on February 8th, 2013, 09:41 PM
Well, better! :)
Title: Re: And people wonder why I think Facebook Connect is a bad thing
Post by: Maxx on February 25th, 2013, 01:54 PM
For me I have Repaired and  Custom Built PCs for many, One Note I'd express, it that most all Computers I repair have way too many pops up, or start-ups applications (social net stuff) that it takes for ever, just to get to the problems all these things have infected the Unit with... I've had occassion when I have to spend 2 days cleaning out Bugs and junk for the PC before I could even determine if the unit it's self has issues... Too many use the PC as a Toy, rather than a Tool! I know many come from Email, but found way more from the social sites! and So called Free software offers.

That being said, People love to play so if you are one of those your going to pay to play, in most cases!

I have many tips and application you use to help prevent this stuff and wasting Money on the damage done. If anyone is interest feel free to let me know. And One big Hint is, that a few of the paid,  highly used and Big Boy applications out there cause more bad than good. One reason is everyone is out to crack them. and It take more than one application and or tools to do the trick, and them you should have back u weapons if you will to kill the bugs LOL!

And remember always, "I am always watching you, watching me, watching you"

regards,
Maxx
Title: Re: And people wonder why I think Facebook Connect is a bad thing
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on February 25th, 2013, 02:16 PM
A PC is a PC. You can do whatever you want with it also full it with popups and shitty software. You should create virtual machines if you want to keep it clean..

Anyway we are talking about websites.
Title: Re: And people wonder why I think Facebook Connect is a bad thing
Post by: Maxx on February 25th, 2013, 02:38 PM
I'm sorry I was under the impression that Social Nets like FB, were on the Web, My bad, and it's what they cause and do that is the subject and just what did I do to you friend?

Sorry I posted my thoughts here in you domain Bro!

regards,
Maxx
Title: Re: And people wonder why I think Facebook Connect is a bad thing
Post by: Nao on February 25th, 2013, 03:37 PM
Quote from MultiformeIngegno on February 8th, 2013, 08:02 PM
I'm wondering if we should think about a different implementation of YouTube (or generic websites) video embedding. Iframe is dangerous too, both for privacy concerns and for this example..
The 'old' way of embedding YT with Aeva was to use the embed tags.
I was told that it made it impossible for iOS users to view a video, and asked to change it to the iframe code...
So I did that.
I also changed, also upon request, the YT URL to youtube-nocookie.com to keep privacy ayatollahs quiet (but mostly to avoid sending cookies for nothing, thus saving bandwidth...), and recently found out that my custom Android ROM's anti-ad list had that domain in its list... Making it instantly impossible for me to load any YT videos posted in Wedge or SMF forums.

Funny, eh...? How it's impossible to please everyone, including me...

Regarding thumbnails. If you'll remember, Aeva Media does exactly that for YT embeds posted directly to a gallery album. It generates a thumbnail for the item list.
It works great.

Actually, it looks like Elk is going to do just that, for regular YT embeds. I'm wishing them luck, because writing a generic embed module for multiple video sites is not exactly easy. (And I won't release Aeva for Elk... Not for the reasons you'd think, though.)

Personally, I like thumbnails, too, but in a post context, I'd rather have a video-sized image, and then have the image be replaced with the embed when clicking. This would eliminate the JavaScript-loading mess, but OTOH it requires too many tweaking to attachment code (or gallery code) for it to be something I'd like to implement in Wedge itself... Eh.
Title: Re: And people wonder why I think Facebook Connect is a bad thing
Post by: Maxx on February 25th, 2013, 04:07 PM
Using Aeva on my sites (SMF) it works great using embed iframe tags and well as just applying the url to U tube, I've seen WP sites that have the Video as a Thumb type nail, and they are nice to have I guess but not really need unless you have many videos posted, but then you talking possible load time and band width issues. not everyone has Hi speed Internet, some wireless and other types, still being used. I really don't trust frames on most site though!
 
  the way my site is set u on the Front page, I have the most current video that comes up normal, at the top and link bars, jute box like formations with page numbers, where one can click on the song or music video they desire, loads real fast and does the job, I sure there many ways , but this just one thought!

regards,
Maxx
 
Title: Re: And people wonder why I think Facebook Connect is a bad thing
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on February 26th, 2013, 12:14 PM
Quote from Maxx on February 25th, 2013, 02:38 PM
I'm sorry I was under the impression that Social Nets like FB, were on the Web, My bad, and it's what they cause and do that is the subject and just what did I do to you friend?

Sorry I posted my thoughts here in you domain Bro!

regards,
Maxx
Facebook Connect isn't Facebook. It's a sort of API
Posted: February 26th, 2013, 12:13 PM

@Nao: Thumbnails replaced with embed on click is a good idea :)
Title: Re: And people wonder why I think Facebook Connect is a bad thing
Post by: Maxx on February 26th, 2013, 02:47 PM
Not new to this stuff my friend!
 No disrespect intended here.. I have been admin many Corp. sites, and always treated my members with the respect respect deserve, even if they are wrong or out of place, just a thought@
 
 However, if I have something to share with others about what I know, in regard to the Computers and the Net and what can happen when you let them in the your unit, I will do so, because this is what I've been doing the 1994 until now, if you don't like what I have to share do not pay me no mind, I help people daily with there issues. And again beware of the social sites, downloads and such and FB is among those like it or not! (API, Active X, Java, freeware or whatever) I don't let them in but some do and they need to be aware!

Windowz  Messaging system is being stripped they say, and taken away as we speak, and members are being advised to use Skype and that infects many user's as well, and I know this first hand. So tell me what is wrong with this plan?
Now if this was a private conversation in the Off topic, then I am truly sorry!
 
 regards,
 Maxx
Title: Re: And people wonder why I think Facebook Connect is a bad thing
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on February 26th, 2013, 04:11 PM
I just said 1) that we were talking about Facebook Connect and 2) that if you really want to keep a PC clean you should use virtual machines, stop. I didn't offend anyone. If you feel offended by what I said you have some problem with self esteem.