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Title: The browser you loved to hate
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on March 16th, 2012, 04:48 PM
Nice idea from Microsoft! :D
http://browseryoulovedtohate.com/
Title: Re: The browser you loved to hate
Post by: Nao on March 16th, 2012, 05:03 PM
Funny vid. But it still won't make me forgive them for IE6/7... :P

Guys you have no idea how much trouble it was to keep Wedge compatible with IE6 for all this time. It doesn't look great,
Title: Re: The browser you loved to hate
Post by: Aaron on March 16th, 2012, 09:24 PM
Quote from Nao on March 16th, 2012, 05:03 PM
Guys you have no idea how much trouble it was to keep Wedge compatible with IE6 for all this time. It doesn't look great,
I honestly don't understand why you still bother. ;)
Title: Re: The browser you loved to hate
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on March 16th, 2012, 09:35 PM
Me too.. also Microsoft is pushing users to the new IE 9 (10 in Win 8)..!
Title: Re: The browser you loved to hate
Post by: Nao on March 16th, 2012, 10:01 PM
I'm waiting for market shares to go below Opera's. I'm develoong with Opera in mind and hypocrisy is not my thing. ;)
Title: Re: The browser you loved to hate
Post by: ethankcvds on March 16th, 2012, 10:24 PM
I still think of it as the browser that causes the majority of problems with malware.
Title: Re: The browser you loved to hate
Post by: Nao on March 22nd, 2012, 08:04 AM
Definitely.
The more I spend time on CSS and HTML and JS stuff, the less time I devote to IE7 compatibility. As for IE6 -- I had a period during which I was adamant in keeping compatibility with IE6, even went as far as using a rounded corner shim for IE6 (look at the PIE library's forum, there's a long topic with a few bug reports/fixes by yours truly :P). Then, one day, I just figured, we're no longer in 2010, let's ditch that. And now it's 2012, and I no longer care that it even looks *okay* on IE6. Let it rot, let it look horrible. We all have to chip in and ensure IE6 users finally upgrade.
Title: Re: The browser you loved to hate
Post by: markham on March 27th, 2012, 07:35 AM
Quote from Nao on March 22nd, 2012, 08:04 AM
We all have to chip in and ensure IE6 users finally upgrade.
May I inject a word or two of explanation here. There's a very good reason why IE6/IE7 are still in quite wide usage around the world - the users' hardware platform. Third world countries are dumping grounds for first world technology discards and the best these PCs can use is Windows XP. I honestly do not believe that XP will die-off for quite a while, possibly continuing to be in significant use for the next 4 or 5 years.


As I've mentioned previously, I administer two sites (one live, the other about to be) which are aimed at users living in the Philippines. Both are on heavily-modified SMF platforms and I've had to ensure the display templates work for XP users (with IE) as well as for those with more modern platforms. I do intend to convert both to Wedge - for two reasons: SMF support frankly sucks and, more importantly, plug-ins won't necessitate me having to dig into the core code in order to implement them. But it is my fervent hope that some thought will be given to providing a theme which provides most of the functionality but is compatible with IE6/IE7 (and possibly forced upon detection of the user agent).
Title: Re: The browser you loved to hate
Post by: Nao on March 27th, 2012, 09:08 AM
Yes but xp can run ie8... Or firefox. Or chrome. Or Opera ;)
Title: Re: The browser you loved to hate
Post by: nolsilang on March 27th, 2012, 09:22 AM
Quote from markham on March 27th, 2012, 07:35 AM
May I inject a word or two of explanation here. There's a very good reason why IE6/IE7 are still in quite wide usage around the world - the users' hardware platform. Third world countries are dumping grounds for first world technology discards and the best these PCs can use is Windows XP. I honestly do not believe that XP will die-off for quite a while, possibly continuing to be in significant use for the next 4 or 5 years.


As I've mentioned previously, I administer two sites (one live, the other about to be) which are aimed at users living in the Philippines. Both are on heavily-modified SMF platforms and I've had to ensure the display templates work for XP users (with IE) as well as for those with more modern platforms. I do intend to convert both to Wedge - for two reasons: SMF support frankly sucks and, more importantly, plug-ins won't necessitate me having to dig into the core code in order to implement them. But it is my fervent hope that some thought will be given to providing a theme which provides most of the functionality but is compatible with IE6/IE7 (and possibly forced upon detection of the user agent).
Wow.. may I know what your site niche/demographic is? I'm from Indonesia and  from analytics[1] I see 63.86% use firefox, 24.94% Chrome, 6.88% Opera and Opera Mini (combined) , 1.63% IE. I'm genuinely curious as why in Philippines your visitor still use IE and not changing their browser themselves.
 1. This site only have approximately 6000 visitor per month, 92.42% from Indonesia
Title: Re: The browser you loved to hate
Post by: Nao on March 27th, 2012, 10:17 PM
Nice, original numbers! ;)
Title: Re: The browser you loved to hate
Post by: Nao on June 11th, 2012, 11:05 AM
Don't know where to post this...
I'm not a big fan of Chrome, especially because of their strange UI. Recently though, Maxthon added Webkit (I suspect actually a fork of Chrome) into their previously-IE-only rendering system, and their html5test.com scores directly show that...
The latest version, released today, scores 465/500, i.e. 23 points more than Chrome Canary.
To do that, it adds Subtitles support to the video tag, support for h264 (it's only bonus points thankfully, no need for that in a browser really...), support for aac and mp3 (ditto), partial support for input datetime/month/week/time/datetime-local (it loses full support for image, and date compared to Chrome though), and microdata (15 points). It also loses seamless iframes and custom search providers.

Still, Maxthon is much easier to use than Chrome IMHO, if only because of their "normal" tab bar compared to Chrome's, and even though they're still lacking vertical tab bars (something Chrome actually *removed* months ago, while I was considering making a partial switch to it because it was relatively usable), it's still miles ahead of it otherwise, and I've been using it as a secondary browser for a few weeks now, and completely ditched Chrome for now...
Title: Re: The browser you loved to hate
Post by: Nao on June 12th, 2012, 05:51 PM
I installed Win8 Preview Release and tested IE10...
Heck, it's so great that I didn't even bother to write this with it.

It's still at the very bottom of my wish-list when it comes to using a browser. It has nothing to keep me hooked. Even IE9 was an improvement over IE8 -- but this time, it's hard to see any improvements at all. Fail.

Metro has some funny animations, but if it's all it's gonna bring to the table, Win8 will be without me... I'll just happily wait for Windows 9 or 10, just like I stayed so long with XP.