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Title: Spambots
Post by: CJ Jackson on April 11th, 2011, 05:21 PM
Unfortunately spambots have got through reCAPTCHA, fortunately, the email address they use are so random, none of them have Gravatar. Those spambots programmers thought they outsmarted me, but they failed because they overlooked Gravatar (which is probably blocked by the great firewall of China)  :D

What your opinion?
Title: Re: Spambots
Post by: Arantor on April 11th, 2011, 06:06 PM
reCAPTCHA is long since too much a liability for my liking, if humans typically draw a 50% success rate (vs 25-30% success rate for bots), and the fact that it allows for off-by-one errors... no thanks.

We have a custom CAPTCHA that I wrote, draws 9 or so visibly distinct styles, including some animated ones. Sure, they're breakable, but not trivially or easily. It's been in use on arantor.org now since August and while I've had spammers sign up, I've had the grand total of 3 spam posts from a human spammer.

The other thing is that not everyone has a Gravatar, so while blog users (especially WP users/converts) will be fine, it's not a safe assumption for the purposes of combatting bots.

There are alternative methods, some of which have been integrated already ;)
Title: Re: Spambots
Post by: CJ Jackson on April 11th, 2011, 06:37 PM
Quote from Arantor on April 11th, 2011, 06:06 PM
The other thing is that not everyone has a Gravatar, so while blog users (especially WP users/converts) will be fine, it's not a safe assumption for the purposes of combatting bots.
True, but it's seems to working quite well on my board. ;)
Title: Re: Spambots
Post by: Arantor on April 11th, 2011, 06:59 PM
Yeah, I guess it depends on the board ;)
Title: Re: Spambots
Post by: william777 on April 11th, 2011, 11:23 PM
Quote from Arantor on April 11th, 2011, 06:06 PM
reCAPTCHA is long since too much a liability for my liking, if humans typically draw a 50% success rate (vs 25-30% success rate for bots), and the fact that it allows for off-by-one errors... no thanks.

We have a custom CAPTCHA that I wrote, draws 9 or so visibly distinct styles, including some animated ones. Sure, they're breakable, but not trivially or easily. It's been in use on arantor.org now since August and while I've had spammers sign up, I've had the grand total of 3 spam posts from a human spammer.

The other thing is that not everyone has a Gravatar, so while blog users (especially WP users/converts) will be fine, it's not a safe assumption for the purposes of combatting bots.

There are alternative methods, some of which have been integrated already ;)
I agree with you Arantor.
Is your version available to the public?
Title: Re: Spambots
Post by: CJ Jackson on April 11th, 2011, 11:39 PM
Yes it does, my board does not have any uploading facilities for avatar, so Gravatar is the only method. ;)
Title: Re: Spambots
Post by: live627 on April 11th, 2011, 11:54 PM
Quote from william777 on April 11th, 2011, 11:23 PM
Is your version available to the public?
Not any more. But there's an old copy installed on dp.net.
Title: Re: Spambots
Post by: chilly on April 11th, 2011, 11:59 PM
/megot that old version too :P but there is only one site to get it from.
Title: Re: Spambots
Post by: live627 on April 12th, 2011, 12:11 AM
Quote from chilly on April 11th, 2011, 11:59 PM
but there is only one site to get it from.
There _was_. It was taken down five months ago.
Title: Re: Spambots
Post by: Nao on April 12th, 2011, 12:15 AM
3.5 :p
Title: Re: Spambots
Post by: DoctorMalboro on April 12th, 2011, 12:53 AM
reCAPTCHA doesn't even have proper updates... seriously, there's always a retard saying "reCAPTCHA works. period." and it piss me off...
Title: Re: Spambots
Post by: Nao on April 12th, 2011, 12:28 PM
Well, technically, that's true. (For software that works, of course.)
Title: Re: Spambots
Post by: DoctorMalboro on April 12th, 2011, 03:05 PM
I would use akismet, that it is something more stable and it actually let you track the amount of spambots you have...
Title: Re: Spambots
Post by: Nao on April 12th, 2011, 04:20 PM
That's one answer for Pete I believe ;)

(4200! This... is... Geekland!!)
Title: Re: Spambots
Post by: DoctorMalboro on April 12th, 2011, 04:22 PM
Any good antispam measure taken on wedge? I mean, would you add spinning and flying captchas or captchas which the only way to pass through it is singing ABBA's songs (is widely known that spambots can't sing ABBA's songs).
Title: Re: Spambots
Post by: Dismal Shadow on April 12th, 2011, 06:02 PM
Not good idea for those who are deaf...
Title: Re: Spambots
Post by: live627 on April 12th, 2011, 06:07 PM
Quote from DoctorMalboro on April 12th, 2011, 04:22 PM
Any good antispam measure taken on wedge?
Bad Behavior
Title: Re: Spambots
Post by: DoctorMalboro on April 12th, 2011, 11:06 PM
Quote from Dismal Shadow on April 12th, 2011, 06:02 PM
Not good idea for those who are deaf...
meh, I'm not deaf.

/sarcasm
Title: Re: Spambots
Post by: Dismal Shadow on April 12th, 2011, 11:13 PM
Quote from DoctorMalboro on April 12th, 2011, 11:06 PM
Quote from Dismal Shadow on April 12th, 2011, 06:02 PM
Not good idea for those who are deaf...
meh, I'm not deaf.

/sarcasm
But I am. ;)
Title: Re: Spambots
Post by: Nao on April 12th, 2011, 11:50 PM
Quote from live627 on April 12th, 2011, 06:07 PM
Quote from DoctorMalboro on April 12th, 2011, 04:22 PM
Any good antispam measure taken on wedge?
Bad Behavior
Yeah, Pete worked hard on that one. I was really impressed :)
Title: Re: Spambots
Post by: CJ Jackson on April 13th, 2011, 12:07 AM
Spambot should go to bed for Bad Behaviour, with no supper, but seriously I do use that on Wordpress! :)
Title: Re: Spambots
Post by: DoctorMalboro on April 13th, 2011, 01:32 AM
Quote from Dismal Shadow on April 12th, 2011, 11:13 PM
Quote from DoctorMalboro on April 12th, 2011, 11:06 PM
Quote from Dismal Shadow on April 12th, 2011, 06:02 PM
Not good idea for those who are deaf...
meh, I'm not deaf.

/sarcasm
But I am. ;)
That's because ya kids of today listen to that crap too loud! :whistle:

(I always wanted to be that cranky old man that complains about the music volume :lol: )
Title: Re: Spambots
Post by: Dismal Shadow on April 13th, 2011, 02:47 AM
No, when I mean I'm deaf...I'm seriously deaf in both ears, I become deaf when I was 3 years old...
Title: Re: Spambots
Post by: Nao on April 13th, 2011, 07:49 AM
We know that, Dismal. But I think you should be less upset/frustrated about people treading this lightheartedly. They're not making fun of deaf people at all, and certainly not of *you*, you can be sure of that.
Title: Re: Spambots
Post by: DoctorMalboro on April 13th, 2011, 02:18 PM
Quote from Dismal Shadow on April 13th, 2011, 02:47 AM
No, when I mean I'm deaf...I'm seriously deaf in both ears, I become deaf when I was 3 years old...
I know you're not deaf for that. If you feel offended, sorry. It wasn't my intention at all...
Title: Re: Spambots
Post by: Dismal Shadow on April 13th, 2011, 03:57 PM
Anyway, anti-spam should not use sound only but I'm happy with  Bad Behaviour in Wedge
Title: Re: Spambots
Post by: Arantor on April 13th, 2011, 04:29 PM
OK, right now, here's what we have.

9 or so CAPTCHAs, originally designed and written by me, using a variation of the code base as visible on arantor.org on registration. Some of them are animated, but the thing is, the variety of images really kicks out bots.

I also added Bad Behaviour as discussed, though I need to update to the latest version because I integrated it directly.

I do plan to rework the audio CAPTCHA too because right now it's actually almost as vulnerable as SMF's main CAPTCHA is.
Title: Re: Spambots
Post by: CJ Jackson on April 14th, 2011, 09:29 PM
I know many spambot can read javascript, but how many of them can execute javascript?
Title: Re: Spambots
Post by: Arantor on April 14th, 2011, 09:50 PM
And if you make it dependent on JS, any device that can't use JS is excluded which rules out some smartphones.
Title: Re: Spambots
Post by: CJ Jackson on April 14th, 2011, 09:55 PM
but not all smartphones, right? ;)