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Title: iHate Apple
Post by: Nao on September 27th, 2010, 12:08 PM
Sorry, I noticed Dismal's link so I couldn't help asking this here!

Ever since I saw the Epic Citadel demo for the iPhone4 and iPad, I've become a despicable Apple fanboy in the closet. (Yes, this is the closet here.) Don't get me wrong -- I still hate Apple, but I really, really like top tech 3D shite in small devices. I bought a DS at some point, but the 3D wasn't so good, and it's hardly hackable. Now, I got to manipulate several friends' iPhones over the years, and I loved the iPhone 4 because of the resolution, but hated the iPhone4 case, because it's rugged. I mean, its corners are edgy, rather than soft like on the iPhone 3 case.

Now, I'm considering buying an iPod Touch 4 because it's cheap (309¤ with 32GB), has high res, and seems to have the same case as earlier generations.
I don't know if it's the 'right' choice. Would 8GB be enough? Same hardware as the 32GB version or not?
I couldn't care less about a good camera, and I like my current phone (a very old cheap one, eh.)

I'd go for the iPhone4 if I had an actual reason to use the Interwebs outside of my place... But I really don't go outside a lot, and I think it's way too expensive for the use I'd make out of it -- I mean... I call people for something like, 15 minutes a month at the most?

Probably just posting this topic will give me some relief... I'm a sucker for gadgets. I've managed not to buy anything too 'gadgety' in the last couple of years. But right now, with Epic Citadel, it's become VERY hard. :P
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: LHW on September 27th, 2010, 12:39 PM
About 10 days ago I upgraded my phone.  I had the opportunity to go with an iPhone, but opted for the Droid2 instead.  Overall, I just liked the OS's interface better.  Plus, the battery life is excellent.

My dad, though, has an iPhone, and he swears it's the greatest phone he's ever had.  I'll be seeing him in November, and I'm sure the two of us will sit down and try to one-up each other while we show off our phones.   :lol:
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Asgard on September 27th, 2010, 04:11 PM
I'm a self professed Apple fanboy, but I'm also someone who's been on the leading edge of tech and tech gadgets for a long time. I have a very diverse I.T. background and have worked with just about everything out there at one time or another. I've been using smartphones for at least 10 years, always looking for the one device that would everything I needed (I dislike carrying around multiple devices). The iPhone has certainly proved to be that device (I have a 3G, but want a 4).

My iPhone has 16GB of memory and has so far proven to be plenty (as long as I choose what playlists and videos to load). I have many apps and have been truly impressed with it's gaming capabilities. My DS has sat uncharged and unused pretty much since I picked up the iPhone.

The new iPod Touch really is quite amazing given it's size, the case looks like the previous generations but it is a bit thinner, and about half as thick as an iPhone 3G.
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Arantor on September 27th, 2010, 04:19 PM
/mehas ribbed Asgard more than once about love of fruity goodness :P
I'm impressed by the build quality of Apple gear, as a technologist, and I can't deny that for the bulk of their users, it works for them. I personally would feel stifled a little with the mentality they put into things, though I gather it's gotten a bit better over time (it is a long old IT joke that Microsoft asks you where you want to go today and Apple tells you where it wants you to go)

Of the Apple devices though the one I'm most interested in is the iPad. The only downsides for me are the price (seriously, I do not want to pay £429 for one when for that price I can get a powerful desktop or laptop) and the size; it just feels too small for me to use comfortably.

The other thing is that I'm not the traveller I used to be, I don't have a commute at the moment so I have no need of *mobile* devices.
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Adonis on September 27th, 2010, 06:29 PM
Working in retail - I'm *not* impressed with the build quality.  Waaaay too many come back.   :P

Otherwise they're good devices, if you want to do exactly what they tell you that you want.  Which is fine for the Apple zombies.

I'd rather have something with a drag n' drop (non)interface, a text screen (unlike the shuffle), doesn't fight you when you want to put non-music files on it, and still only costs 1/3 of the price of a comparable Fruit.

   
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Dismal Shadow on September 28th, 2010, 03:01 AM
Yeah, Epic Citadel shocked the worlds and its fans because it shows how the engine can be done on small device - iPhone 4. I am glad I own it. Everything I ever want is on the iPhone...Are there many apps that support other than the iPhone? Not really.
Teamviewer is one of them http://www.teamviewer.com/index.aspx

This is the reason why many developers will not develop Android:
http://analytics.percentmobile.com/images/first_100.png

Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Arantor on September 28th, 2010, 03:05 AM
The trouble is, the devs won't develop for it, because there's also little demand (even putting aside the technical issues), and there's no demand because there's no apps for it... yay for circular logic.

Apps should be relatively consistent on Android however, they all use a form of Java, so it should be fairly consistent, but it won't have the consistency and user experience of Apple iPhone.

(As much as I dislike their practices, I can't deny Apple are giving users what they want.)
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: mforum on October 1st, 2010, 05:43 PM
i have a sony ericson 810wi that i bought 2 years ago and i am very happy with it  :P  :P
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Nao on October 1st, 2010, 05:51 PM
(Hmm... It's interesting that I launched this topic and never got to reply it!! Sorry! Been busy... Still am.)
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Nao on January 26th, 2011, 07:17 PM
A video on innovation in phone design, I'm sure you'll like that, Pete ;)

What is being creative?(http://vimeo.com/18079655)
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Arantor on January 26th, 2011, 09:54 PM
Awesomest video EVAR. Reposted to Innovate not Imitate :D

In other news. Jesus Fucking Christ on a Crutch-powered-Motorbike. The hassle of posting an embed snippet into WP without it eating the iframe. (Yes, I'm pissed off, it took far more effort than it should have done. None of this magic autoembed there.)
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Nao on January 26th, 2011, 10:09 PM
Glad you liked it ;)

I didn't even know WP supported embedding.
Oh, you mean half-assed hackish embedding? No that's not embedding :P
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Arantor on January 26th, 2011, 10:14 PM
Half-assed-requires-me-to-add-HTML-and-fiddle-it-not-to-remove-the-iframe embedding. Not really embedding at all. In fact it's a pain in the ass. Did I mention how much I *hate* WP?
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Nao on January 26th, 2011, 11:04 PM
Install a plugin?
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Arantor on January 26th, 2011, 11:13 PM
That would require me figuring out how to use the plugin thingy, since WP doesn't like my server's configuration and can't log in with FTP since I don't have an FTP server (thus it can't change any permissions on files, and I really can't be arsed with the alternative)

I don't embed video often and when I do, I want it to just work, like it does with Aeva. Sod having to install a plugin - this is 2011, the software has been shown to be smart enough to deal with it!
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: DoctorMalboro on March 30th, 2011, 01:42 PM
Finally someone in their senses hates apple :P
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Arantor on March 30th, 2011, 01:57 PM
I still don't hate Apple :P
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Dismal Shadow on March 30th, 2011, 02:05 PM
I don't think anyone hate Apple. :P
Just common sense.
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Nao on March 31st, 2011, 12:20 PM
I hate Apple... But I like my iPod :whistle:
I think I like Scrabble™ and music more than my iPod, actually.
I would trade my iPod in for anything else with enough space for my music and a Scrabble app.
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: CJ Jackson on March 31st, 2011, 01:24 PM
So do I, but I like the iPhone, I like Mac OS X but I hate the restricted nature of the system, e.g. either mac or hackintosh it only runs well on modern Intel CPU's.  I'm AMD and hackintosh is out of the question, but I did try running it on VirtualBox and there were a few odd glitches.

(http://content.imagesocket.com/thumbs/17_05_2010_19_16_34015.png)(http://"http://imagesocket.com/view/17_05_2010_19_16_34015.png") (http://content.imagesocket.com/thumbs/17_05_2010_19_18_279e6.png)(http://"http://imagesocket.com/view/17_05_2010_19_18_279e6.png")

Windows Users can be just as productive as Mac Users, I'm on Windows and I have Adobe Illustrator to play with.  :eheh:

I did question the Mac on another forum, http://www.1emulation.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=31981 . (That forum became lazy btw, hence default theme)
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Nao on March 31st, 2011, 02:34 PM
I don't see any glitches in your install...?
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Dismal Shadow on March 31st, 2011, 03:08 PM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on March 31st, 2011, 12:20 PM
I hate Apple... But I like my iPod :whistle:
I think I like Scrabble™ and music more than my iPod, actually.
I would trade my iPod in for anything else with enough space for my music and a Scrabble app.
Hater. :P
Actually you dont hate Apple otherwise you wouldn't have an iPod. You should have settle for a Zune. :P
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Arantor on March 31st, 2011, 03:12 PM
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You should have settle for a Zune.
Wash your mouth out, we don't say such things around here! :lol:
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: CJ Jackson on March 31st, 2011, 03:41 PM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on March 31st, 2011, 02:34 PM
I don't see any glitches in your install...?
They are hard to screendump, when I click the Apple Logo (top left) -> About this mac, it logged me out and that doesn't happen on the real Mac or Intel hackintosh.  64-bit application tend to depend on SSSE3 which AMD CPU's (except bulldozer and bobcat) does not support, therefore will terminate on AMD CPU's.

No wonder why Apple controls the hardware.  :lol:
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Nao on March 31st, 2011, 03:47 PM
Quote from Dismal Shadow on March 31st, 2011, 03:08 PM
Hater. :P
Actually you dont hate Apple otherwise you wouldn't have an iPod. You should have settle for a Zune. :P
I hate Safari Mobile. With a revenge.
And that's the only Apple app I'm using. The rest is third-party...
So, yeah, somehow, I hate Apple software. Their hardware is okay but the competition's is, too, from what I heard.
Had someone else released a successful device at the same time, maybe everyone would be developing for the OtherDevice, and iStuff would be seen as overpriced garbage. Now instead, it's seen as overpriced popular garbage, which makes a huge difference. :eheh:
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Arantor on March 31st, 2011, 03:57 PM
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No wonder why Apple controls the hardware.
It's a smart move, though. Having control of the hardware means you have far fewer potential variations to contend with, far fewer configurations that could throw off testing, and it limits the scope for things like driver bugs.
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Had someone else released a successful device at the same time, maybe everyone would be developing for the OtherDevice, and iStuff would be seen as overpriced garbage. Now instead, it's seen as overpriced popular garbage, which makes a huge difference.
That's the thing though, we're seeing other devices coming into the same space as iDevices, but still can't compete on things like the user experience. Even Motorola's Xoom, which boasts the ability to use Flash (sometimes :P) doesn't have the same level of cohesion and inter-connectedness that the iPad experience has, and don't get me started on the mess that is the Android Marketplace.
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Rustybarnacle on March 31st, 2011, 07:09 PM
I have an iPhone4 and iPad1 combo and love it.  I run MyWi on the iPhone to share the 3G signal to my laptop and iPad making it ideal, that is if Rogers could overcome the whole network congestion issue so data isn't just a trickle during the work day.

I'm not a big fan of Mac laptops though. mostly because I don't know the Mac OS at all.  I just don't see it in business.  I've been in IT for over 14 years and this new job is the only place that has any Mac at all and even here its discouraged and only a few die hards insist on getting support for their home laptops.
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Nao on April 1st, 2011, 01:19 PM
Quote from Arantor on March 31st, 2011, 03:57 PM
It's a smart move, though. Having control of the hardware means you have far fewer potential variations to contend with, far fewer configurations that could throw off testing, and it limits the scope for things like driver bugs.
Agreed. Driver bugs nearly drove me crazy, ten years ago when 3D development was in its infancy and neither ATI nor NVidia had very stable drivers for recent features. I learned to stay away from the latest two versions of DirectX at the time... (Although I should have skipped DirectX 8.1 altogether. Because it dropped GDI support, I had to rewrite my entire interface to use 3D... And then DX9 came out, restored GDI support and pissed me off. A LOT. That contributed to the premature end of my career as a 3D programmer, really. I should have stuck with OpenGL. OpenGL rocked.)

Anywayyyyyyy......
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That's the thing though, we're seeing other devices coming into the same space as iDevices, but still can't compete on things like the user experience.
Have to say... Reminds me of the Samsung Galaxy Tab. I finally had one in my hands last week... And I was completely underwhelmed. It was heavy, thick, and the interface wasn't smooth at all, even thought they had the iPad model to look up to. My. Utterly disappointed. (I always thought of it as the "ideal size" for me.)
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Dragooon on April 1st, 2011, 02:36 PM
Honestly what other platforms lacks is the exorbitant App store that simply eats everything else for breakfast, Android's App's interface is never consistent and TBH most of them are outright ugly(I own one Android phone!). I haven't tried the likes of Motorola Xoom but I'd never get one until the android app store improves. Although the ability to customize one's phone and flashing/re-flashing is my favourite feature with android devices :P

That and I'm being a little biased due to me getting a flashy new iPad :P.

PS : Does refreshing tracking page after every 2 minutes make the thing arrive sooner?
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Nao on April 1st, 2011, 08:55 PM
Quote from Dragooon on April 1st, 2011, 02:36 PM
PS : Does refreshing tracking page after every 2 minutes make the thing arrive sooner?
Statistically, it actually slows it down, in my experience.
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: DoctorMalboro on April 1st, 2011, 09:46 PM
I prefer my cellphone to hear good music... not some trashy crap that doesn't use .mp3

Anyways, happy birthday Apple! How does it feel to be a joke since 1976?
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: CJ Jackson on April 1st, 2011, 11:58 PM
Apple iDevices can play MP3, but Apple prefers AAC.
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: live627 on April 2nd, 2011, 12:46 AM
Why not BBD?
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: CJ Jackson on April 2nd, 2011, 01:07 PM
One things Apple Mac product do remind me of, and that the silver age, I hate the silver age, it when silver was the new black remember that?
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: DoctorMalboro on April 2nd, 2011, 11:36 PM
Why not bullcrap?
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Dismal Shadow on June 4th, 2011, 02:00 AM
I wouldn't bother to create a new topic for feedback but I need someone's suggestion, was looking's at DS Natural theme by DzinerStudio because it match Apple feel to it and change the horrific orange for blue on links, the one from Apple's website; #08C.

Not sure it should apply the same for main_block.png  :-/
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Arantor on June 4th, 2011, 02:07 AM
It's funny, someone else only the other day commented to me that it was a nice theme but that the red was bit too much... blue would be good but you need to match the tonal range - the blue used there is a bit bright compared to the tone the header etc should have.
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Dismal Shadow on June 4th, 2011, 02:09 AM
What color would you have used then?
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Arantor on June 4th, 2011, 02:13 AM
A deeper blue, darker than that one. I'd have started by looking at the images in GIMP and starting to adjust the colour balance and hue so I'd get a tone-range consistent image so it still fitted in, but would have ended up a darker blue, probably somewhere between royal blue and navy blue.
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Dismal Shadow on June 4th, 2011, 03:12 AM
Better? That's as dark blue as can be. :p
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Arantor on June 4th, 2011, 04:05 AM
It's dark, sure, now maybe too dark - and it doesn't fit with the tones of the others... I'd fire up GIMP and play but it's a bit late now and I need a shower before bed...
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Nao on June 4th, 2011, 11:03 AM
Have you tried #c40 in opposition to #08c maybe? Works well in contrast.
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Dismal Shadow on June 6th, 2011, 07:56 PM
REVAMP NOTIFICATIONS in iOS 5. Whoooooooooooooooo!!!
Posted: June 6th, 2011, 07:49 PM

Apple can thank the jailbreak community for its new Notifications Center...Looks like a combination of MobileNotifier and Notified Pro. New lockscreen too, looks like LockInfo. Apple is totally ripping off jailbreak devs.
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Dismal Shadow on June 6th, 2011, 09:07 PM
What do you think? :)

Let me know what needs changing.
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on June 6th, 2011, 09:37 PM
Scott Forstall is too funny! ahah!
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Dismal Shadow on June 7th, 2011, 04:11 PM
Ok, I think I am done. :) Not sure how other feels and feedback are welcome.

So I have make it to match the one from Apple Store.

http://store.apple.com/us

http://iapplecafe.org/
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Arantor on June 7th, 2011, 04:12 PM
I like it :)
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Nao on June 7th, 2011, 06:50 PM
Looks good, but I'd have put more padding around the main area. I mean, it feels a little restrained by the box borders...?
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Dr. Deejay on June 7th, 2011, 07:42 PM
Looking very nice DS :)
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Dismal Shadow on June 7th, 2011, 07:51 PM
Quote from Nao/Gilles on June 7th, 2011, 06:50 PM
Looks good, but I'd have put more padding around the main area. I mean, it feels a little restrained by the box borders...?
Added more padding to it. Better? :)
Quote from Tah Zonemaster on June 7th, 2011, 07:42 PM
Looking very nice DS :)
Thanks. :)
Posted: June 7th, 2011, 07:51 PM

What's up with South Park avatars lately? :p
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Dr. Deejay on June 7th, 2011, 08:01 PM
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What's up with South Park avatars lately? :p
Dunno lol :P SouthPark is cool :D
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Nao on June 7th, 2011, 08:21 PM
Season 15 is on. Among other things.
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Arantor on June 8th, 2011, 12:04 AM
Quote from Tah Zonemaster on June 7th, 2011, 08:01 PM
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What's up with South Park avatars lately? :p
Dunno lol :P SouthPark is cool :D
Bow ties are cool. *nods from experience*
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: live627 on June 8th, 2011, 12:07 AM
Quote from Arantor on June 8th, 2011, 12:04 AM
Bow ties are cool. *nods from experience*
They sure are!
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Rustybarnacle on June 8th, 2011, 05:19 AM
Fez hats, not so much.  :)
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: DoctorMalboro on June 8th, 2011, 05:56 AM
Fez hats are cool!
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Nao on June 8th, 2011, 07:23 AM
Definitely. And I'm a hat specialist.
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: CJ Jackson on June 9th, 2011, 01:32 AM
After seeing Mac OS X Lion, I think Microsoft needs to kick their own arse. :lol:
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Nao on June 9th, 2011, 11:12 AM
Windows 8 does look good, to me... It's got the right palette, and does without the over-the-top shadow effects in Apple's machinery. I'd so like to have enough trust in my own skills not to rely on firework effects...

(And I'd love to know the name of their font. Could definitely use it for titles in Wedge, eheh... Well, not as a web font. But I have a feeling the font is already installed in earlier Windows and I just didn't notice it that well.)
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Dragooon on June 9th, 2011, 12:33 PM
Helvetica is the default font in Mac.
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Nao on June 9th, 2011, 12:34 PM
And....?
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Dragooon on June 9th, 2011, 12:45 PM
Aannddd....that was a totally useless post. Sorry, very tired :).
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: CJ Jackson on June 9th, 2011, 09:39 PM
Aannnnndddd that the the font in my sig! "Hello World" :lol:

It's not just appearance Mac OS X Lion has auto-save and versioning support, not in the way of subversion or git.
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Nao on June 9th, 2011, 10:06 PM
I think the Windows 8 font is Segoe UI Light... (Emphasis on "Light". I found it in my Windows 7 folder, it's a new font.)
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Dismal Shadow on September 26th, 2011, 02:19 PM
This is funking great. :D

The Magic of Reality for iPad by Richard Dawkins - trailer(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBrP3-Ep3ww#ws)

http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/the-magic-of-reality/id461771375?mt=8
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Dismal Shadow on November 19th, 2011, 12:07 AM
Why do I keep my site running and making changes when I have no motivation to post any contents lately? No-one even bother to join or post anymore. :P
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Powerbob on November 19th, 2011, 03:54 AM
OK just joined  :whistle: :lol:
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Nao on November 21st, 2011, 08:03 AM
Well, I don't do much for Noisen anymore either... ;)
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Dismal Shadow on October 28th, 2012, 11:21 PM
I find this article very interesting...

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2012/10/28/opinion-imac-optical-media/
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Arantor on October 28th, 2012, 11:41 PM
The dropping of the optical media was not a surprise, and should not have been one anyway - as soon as we saw OS X being distributed electronically (both download and USB), it should have been clear that Apple was not likely to continue shipping stuff on physical media.
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Nao on October 29th, 2012, 07:47 AM
I actually don't remember using my PC's DVD drive for a long time, myself.

Oh, this all makes me think... Can anyone think of a GOOD Android phone with good battery life and a screen that's at most 4'' and a resolution that looks like an iPhone Retina thingy? (I think 1280x768 is a bit overkill at 4'' but I'm not against the idea either :P)
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Dragooon on October 29th, 2012, 09:50 AM
Nexus S, but its kinda old although its a Nexus and can easily run Jelly Bean. I use a Galaxy Nexus (which is also pretty old now) but that's 4.65" (although that's including on screen button so effective screen size is 4.3 or so inches). HTC One S is 4.3" and a pretty good phone. LG Nexus 4 is around the corner but its a bit bigger (about same as my Galaxy nexus).
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: nend on October 29th, 2012, 07:36 PM
Is that only optical, how about spinning hard disk, are they using solid state?

To me it looks like the article is biased and one sided to Apple. Anybody running a Android with a optical drive? Android compact devices that run on full screen with keyboards and mice have been out for a while already and cost allot less than that junk Apple is forcing down to its fanboys. Apple always makes itself out to look like a innovator but they are just not. All they want to do is sell you overpriced junk and tell you how to use it.
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Arantor on October 29th, 2012, 07:52 PM
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To me it looks like the article is biased and one sided to Apple.
It's an Apple site, what did you expect?
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Anybody running a Android with a optical drive?
Android runs on the desktop now? The article from a few posts up is about iMacs etc. no longer having optical drives. But hey, if you want a mobile device with a DVD drive in it, I'm sure Android could probably oblige. Other than portable DVD players, which are outdated these days...
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Is that only optical, how about spinning hard disk, are they using solid state?
Yes, it is only optical that is being phased out. The smaller laptops are all using solid state, the bigger ones have a choice between spinning disk and solid state, based on the fact that spinning disks are cheaper for higher capacities (like the fact I could have gotten a 1TB hard drive in this laptop for less than the price of the 256GB SSD)
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Android compact devices that run on full screen with keyboards and mice have been out for a while already and cost allot less than that junk Apple is forcing down to its fanboys.
Except that the devices above are not competing with Android, but run OS X so a proper comparison with Windows would be the order of the day, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant.
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All they want to do is sell you overpriced junk and tell you how to use it.
That's why I'm sat here using my MacBook Pro running Windows 7 (for which Apple was only too happy to provide me with all the drivers), but again don't get the facts get in the way of a good rant. Or the fact that Macs (which this article is about) aren't nearly as locked down.

I wonder, did you complain when the previous generations of Mac got rid of their floppy drive?
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Nao on October 29th, 2012, 09:43 PM
@Pete> There's an x86 version of Android, which can be used to install it on a computer (there's a website dedicated to that, can't remember the URL.) It can also be run in a VM, and it's faster than the stock Windows Android emulator. (Although Intel now ships special drivers for that emulator that make it way, way faster... Actually twice faster than a S3 or something.)
Quote from Dragooon on October 29th, 2012, 09:50 AM
Nexus S, but its kinda old although its a Nexus and can easily run Jelly Bean.
But it's 800x480, innit...? 233 ppi. Not very good. I doubt it would give me the same 'wow' factor as when I first got my iPod Touch 4.
It looks like the only 4'' phones (or smaller) that have a resolution higher than 800x480 (or 854x480) are outdated or bad phones (Motorola Droid 3...), so if I want a good ppi I should either aim for a 3.5'' Android phone (they're probably all too old by now...), or an iPhone 5 (meh...), or a 4.3'' phone hoping it won't be too big.
The HTC Desire X seems interesting, though.
Xperia V definitely sounds like the best compromise for me, but it's not out before next month.
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I use a Galaxy Nexus (which is also pretty old now) but that's 4.65" (although that's including on screen button so effective screen size is 4.3 or so inches). HTC One S is 4.3" and a pretty good phone. LG Nexus 4 is around the corner but its a bit bigger (about same as my Galaxy nexus).
HTC One S is something I'm looking into, too.

Oh, while I'm at it... Has anyone here got both an iOS and Android device? From what I can say, if you scroll the screen in your browser, the iOS version reacts immediately, while the Android version introduces a small latency effect. I call it lag, really... It makes scrolling uncomfortable to me. I was wondering if it's a Galaxy S3 effect only, or it's everywhere on Android...? (In which case -- it sucks!)
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Arantor on October 29th, 2012, 09:45 PM
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@Pete> There's an x86 version of Android, which can be used to install it on a computer (there's a website dedicated to that, can't remember the URL.) It can also be run in a VM, and it's faster than the stock Windows Android emulator. (Although Intel now ships special drivers for that emulator that make it way, way faster... Actually twice faster than a S3 or something.)
*shrug* There's also an x86 version of iOS - it's how the Simulator works in Xcode. But it's still mostly irrelevant given that this latest article was nothing to do with Android or iOS and solely about removing optical drives from the laptop and bigger devices.
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: lazyt on October 30th, 2012, 03:27 AM
Nao you mean this one?  http://www.android-x86.org/

Android in VirtualBox is interesting.
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: nend on October 30th, 2012, 04:23 PM
Yeah but the article is about Apple being the first to get rid of the optical drive. The author is basically saying they are pioneering but they are not. Yes it is another Apple fanboy site which explains everything, but spinning less media PC's have been around for already quite some time even before Android was conceived. Most were and still being used though as small POS units in retail shops. I was planning to buy one a few years back to make a media PC out of it for the TV at home, never got around to it though. There is no spinning disk at all on these devices, all solid state, a few ports and that is it.

*edit, more to add

I guess it is how you look at Apple. Most people think of Apple as of Apple vs Microsoft but that isn't the case to me. When I hear Apple I consider Apple as mainly hardware and Apple a little as the software. Microsoft only makes software so Microsoft vs Apple doesn't make any sense. So what does make sense to me Apple vs the entire PC world.

In the past Apple used to bash the entire PC market and that is who they are up against. They got allot to compete against and this is where the fanboys are blind. To the fanboys there is only PC, which PC is not one line and never the same internals.

Does this mean I am a fan of Microsoft, no, I hope Microsoft dies they are or maybe more crooked than Apple. They both want control over the market and over the users.

What I am a fan of is openness, so mainly I a rooting for the open source OSes.
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Arantor on October 30th, 2012, 04:50 PM
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Yeah but the article is about Apple being the first to get rid of the optical drive. The author is basically saying they are pioneering but they are not.
Is it not pioneering to say 'We're dropping optical drives across our entire range'?
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but spinning less media PC's have been around for already quite some time even before Android was conceived
For the second time, WTF has Android got to do with it?

We're talking about 17" laptops and 27" all-in-one desktops, not mobile devices! Big boxes that have no normal reason to drop optical media.
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: nend on October 30th, 2012, 04:55 PM
Quote from Arantor on October 30th, 2012, 04:50 PM
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but spinning less media PC's have been around for already quite some time even before Android was conceived
For the second time, WTF has Android got to do with it?

We're talking about 17" laptops and 27" all-in-one desktops, not mobile devices! Big boxes that have no normal reason to drop optical media.
I was just making a comparison to my first post, I think you took it out of context because I wasn't talking about Android just making a comparison that a PC done it before Android which Android is irrelevant. I could've left Android out of the post and the same meaning would of been present. Like, "PC's have done this for quite some time already.", nothing Android about that sentence.
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Arantor on October 30th, 2012, 05:00 PM
I took it with the only context that was there - the article is explaining how Apple is removing optical drives from their laptops and their desktop boxes (which formerly had such), just like they were the first to drop floppy drives from their boxes as a standard thing.

There is no manufacturer I can think of that has entirely removed optical media from *all* their products going forward and delegated it to external devices for those who really need it. Go on, show me one manufacturer who has done it across the board, not just on a couple of products.

The only 'out of context' is the comparison to Android as though Apple only competes in the mobile market and thus everything is in reference to that...
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: nend on October 30th, 2012, 05:14 PM
I don't know about across their whole product line. I am sure if I did a search I may find a few, if we are doing across the line. Maybe find a few china companies or such. Searching...

Posiflex - It is a PC, a POS but still a PC
FOX ELECTRONICS TECHNOLOGY - Makes drive less mini PC's only with a few other devices such as cams, tvs, etc.

Will found two, one may not count, second one does and it is across their line and a small time manufacturer too.

Also I am not sure but maybe US English is different in how we structure and express our sentences that my point may be coming up differently to your interpretation. That is a theory though, because you're still twisting my words.

Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Arantor on October 30th, 2012, 05:17 PM
Are Fox Electronics Technology consumer-level PCs? Doesn't sound like it.

As far as 'twisting' goes, the only twisting appears to be yours because Apple couldn't possibly ever do anything right, could they?
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on October 30th, 2012, 08:05 PM
Quote from nend on October 30th, 2012, 05:14 PM
Also I am not sure but maybe US English is different in how we structure and express our sentences that my point may be coming up differently to your interpretation. That is a theory though, because you're still twisting my words.
Fight, fight, fight, fight!! :eheh:

Anyway, I think that Apple is pioneering indeed. They didn't just drop floppy back in the days and cd/dvd player now, they're always pushing new technologies (h264, html5), also sometimes at the expense of users understanding (SSDs vs gigantic HDDs). They also revitalized the media market, prey of the piracy before (and still, for the most part). Think about iTunes Match, there's nothing like that, it's a way to legalize what was lost. It creates a market in some ways ( who said "app store"? ;) ).
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Nao on October 30th, 2012, 10:33 PM
Quote from lazyt on October 30th, 2012, 03:27 AM
Nao you mean this one?  http://www.android-x86.org/

Android in VirtualBox is interesting.
This one is an image ready for use in VirtualBox and co, yes.
But you can also use the Android simulator + x86 image + Intel drivers, it will be just as fast as in the VB and have a bit more options. Plus it downloads itself through the SDK manager. (Although I have to say, they could have indicated in the software that you have to manually navigate to the SDK folder and install the drivers yourself...)
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Nao on October 30th, 2012, 10:38 PM
Quote from Nao on October 29th, 2012, 09:43 PM
Quote from Dragooon on October 29th, 2012, 09:50 AM
Nexus S, but its kinda old although its a Nexus and can easily run Jelly Bean.
But it's 800x480, innit...? 233 ppi. Not very good. I doubt it would give me the same 'wow' factor as when I first got my iPod Touch 4.
Definitely no wow factor, but today I had the opportunity to quickly try a Sony Xperia Arc S.
Has a 854x480 4.2'' screen and is 6.3cm in width. This is *exactly* the right width for my hand. I also tried a (fake) Xperia S and it's a couple of millimeters larger, and it felt a tad awkward. Then I tried a (fake) S3 again and it sucked even more. Which is too bad, because the S3 really is my dream phone, from start to finish...

Anyway, here's the new thing: not only was the Arc S the 'perfect size' for me, but its size and ppi (around 233) were good enough to be usable for me. I realize it's not as sharp as my iPod, but it makes a smart use of subpixels to make it very hard to distinguish the pixels in text mode. I had to get closer to the screen to distinguish them. So... Yeah, I guess it's usable, and that it doesn't matter that the resolution is smaller than my iPod.

I still need the phone to have a removable battery, and for that reason the Xperia devices are a no-no to me. Too bad, I really, really liked the TouchWiz interface... :edit: Meant Timescape. TouchWiz is Samsung's. Not too shabby either.

Any thoughts anyone..?
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on October 31st, 2012, 09:05 PM
Thoughts on this? :)
http://informationarchitects.net/blog/mountain-lions-new-file-system/
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Norodo on November 1st, 2012, 12:03 AM
Apple doing what Google has been trying to do for some while. Introduce search to the desktop.

It's a bold move an I applaud it. Whether or not it works out is another thing.
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: Nao on November 1st, 2012, 12:06 AM
Pin Locate32 on your taskbar. Problem solved... ;)
Title: Re: iHate Apple
Post by: nend on November 3rd, 2012, 06:38 AM
However Apple does plenty right, you have to be doing something right for the fanboys to follow. To all their own opinion though, maybe I skimmed over the article but I don't think I am wrong with the things I pointed out with two key points taken out(across product line and only laptop/desktop OSes). Maybe if I had the time to read the full article things would've been in context more but I just don't have the time to read something that isn't really going to have any significant value or gain.

Some may read for enjoyment but I read to expand my knowledge about things that are going to be useful to me.

It might be bold move by Apple but I rather have the choice of what I want in the computer.