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Title: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Arantor on October 19th, 2011, 02:48 PM
Right now, you can't. It's not done yet. And if we were to release it right now, it would really be inappropriate.

There's a lot of things that we want, and need, to do that haven't yet been done. Some things are fundamentally broken or missing critical functionality.

Even if you're a hardcore user, it's still not ready for you, because even the installation doesn't work off the bat without some work (the installer is not stored in the main folder, and has to be moved from another folder prior to installation to make it work properly)

We know you're eager, because we've told you all the goodies that are coming in Wedge, some that are done, some that are coming. But you really need to understand that firstly, it's just two of us writing it, and that we do have lives outside of Wedge - even though we're putting a vast amount of time into it.

This post will be updated in the future, though, as it becomes available.


Why did I even write this? It's because I'm frustrated. I've lost count of the number of people who've come here asking for downloads. Some post publicly, some privately message me, and I'm fed up of it. We don't owe anyone anything, and while I love working on it, I don't love feeling like it's a noose around my neck - and each time I see such a message, I feel like that's where it'll head, as people don't seem to realise that we do this for fun, and not because we're paid to make them something for nothing.

Wedge has a bright and amazing future but you have to let us make it happen in a way we're comfortable with - and that means not rushing releases. That means we take as long as we feel is necessary to make it work. You can see the progress in the New Revs thread(http://wedge.org/pub/feats/6108/new-revs/). That should give you some idea of the scale of changes that are underway - commits happen every day or at worst every couple of days, far higher and far more thoroughly than a good number of open source projects manage, in fact.

I'm also annoyed a lot in the fact that people don't seem to look around before asking. Is it really that hard to grasp that it isn't ready yet? Is it really that hard to spend a little time looking around and seeing what we're about? I guess it actually is, given how many people I'm aware of have just come along, posted without reading just because they want cool free stuff, without taking the time to understand what we're about.

Anyway, here endeth the rant. Keep calm and carry on!
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: DragoN on October 19th, 2011, 02:58 PM
1st of all - No, I cant read Thoughts comments..

But when i post that thought it wasnt in a bad way. To be honest I didnt even realise that it would get a so fast reply.. Dont get me wrong.. I just wrote that has a "thought" really..

Now about wedge, you guys are building a hole new thing so its normal to take cautions and time. I understand how annoying it can be to get so many messages/PMs about it, but take it in a good way. Many messages mean that many ppl are waiting for it.   :)

Well, sorry for my EN and sorry if I piss you in any way.. It was just a though really.. Take your time, I will be arround waiting for it.

Best regards to all.
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Arantor on October 19th, 2011, 03:05 PM
Please understand, it wasn't directed specifically at you. It's the fact this comes up surprisingly often, and the answer is within the forum.

The problem is that people don't really get the fact of how much work is really required and when they realise we've been on this for over a year already, they seem to expect it sooner rather than later... and a number of those people don't care about quality, or indeed it being good for anyone else, they just want what they want and don't care about anyone else.

Many people waiting for something isn't necessarily a good thing. First of all, it puts pressure on us to deliver, which for a hobby project isn't necessarily what we want. But it's interesting to note how many people are enthusiastic, and I suspect that reflects how many people are discontented with SMF 2.0 going final.[1]

People who appreciate the effort and time, and are prepared to wait and add their opinion when we put something up for discussion - this is great, and is exactly the sort of people (like yourself, I hasten to add) that I want to work with, that I want to be involved with.

People who just come here expecting free stuff and not putting anything of their own in, I have zero patience for. You strike me as firmly in the first group :)
 1. A fact that I warned them about, over a year ago, even before 2.0 RC4 was out.
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: DragoN on October 19th, 2011, 03:21 PM
My oppinion on that is that if you guys are buildind something for free there's no space for anyone to argue about it. They just have to wait till it comes out and [only] if you guys want to make it public..

About  the "and is exactly the sort of people (like yourself, I hasten to add) that I want to work with", dont count on that. Not really because i dont want to but only because im just a 0 at scripting..  :eheh:

Well, once again, sorry that I took some of your time for this. Wasnt really my intention..


Cumpz.
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Arantor on October 19th, 2011, 03:28 PM
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there's no space for anyone to argue about it. They just have to wait till it comes out and [only] if you guys want to make it public..
That's the thing. Too many people seem to assume that things are their 'right' to have.
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About  the "and is exactly the sort of people (like yourself, I hasten to add) that I want to work with", dont count on that. Not really because i dont want to but only because im just a 0 at scripting..
But it's not all about the code. Some of the best suggestions here have been from people who aren't coders. Too much of SMF is built by coders who think like coders, and not enough input from non-coder users.

Take the admin panel. I understand the logic by which it was all built. I understand the implications on a technical level of why things are where they are and how they are. But the average user doesn't, and it makes it harder for average users to use because they don't see it how a programmer sees it. They see it how a regular person would see it - which ends up being confusing and frustrating.
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Well, once again, sorry that I took some of your time for this. Wasnt really my intention..
No need to apologise; the only person who needs to apologise is me for snapping like I did, for which I'm sorry. The above rant wasn't aimed at you, just you happened to be the one who tripped the breaker, so to speak. At least now there's a general thread answering the question and it's probably the most obvious place for it...

Besides, it's nice to have someone else in the camp who understands what's going on :)
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: DirtRider on October 19th, 2011, 03:34 PM
So is it ready yet  :whistle:  :lol:

I agree before you guys even think about releasing it it must be solid as you know how it is you have those waiting in the wings just to tear apart all the hard work you have put into it. So with a labour of love like this I always say it will be ready when it's ready  :eheh:
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Arantor on October 19th, 2011, 03:58 PM
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I agree before you guys even think about releasing it it must be solid as you know how it is you have those waiting in the wings just to tear apart all the hard work you have put into it
Oh, and that's going to happen. I learned the hard way about users breaking things I was sure were unbreakable.
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: DirtRider on October 19th, 2011, 04:15 PM
and then saying what a load of rubbish it is without offering anything constructive you can work on  :whistle:
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Arantor on October 19th, 2011, 04:17 PM
Quote from DirtRider on October 19th, 2011, 04:15 PM
and then saying what a load of rubbish it is without offering anything constructive you can work on  :whistle:
Oh yeah, had THAT a lot. At least when I criticise something I try to have a reason why I think it is the way it is...
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Nao on October 19th, 2011, 08:50 PM
Quote from Arantor on October 19th, 2011, 03:05 PM
The problem is that people don't really get the fact of how much work is really required and when they realise we've been on this for over a year already, they seem to expect it sooner rather than later...
I myself expected it sooner... :P
Of course, back in day one, I would never have imagined Wedge to become such a huge project.
But still... I think we should start showing the demo to everyone. Most of the software is stable -- AFAIK the public area is entirely stable and, if it isn't, it'll be fixed quickly.
We're not ready to show off the admin area yet (because of all the changes in the plugin system, icons, etc, that Pete is working on), so that'll come a bit later...
My current schedule has obviously been modified compared to my last one. Now I'm expecting to release the demo site by the end of October, and hopefully the alpha before the end of the year... and the gold version by January 1st because everybody knows the alpha will only last for a few days :P

Nah, seriously, back when we originally announced it publicly, we were about 6 months away from release (around March), then SMF surprised us and released SMF2 Gold sooner than I expected, so instead of targeting for a release in the week after SMF2 was out, we decided to just not bother with SMF anymore.
You can be sure we'll be out before 2.1 though... :P
We can't promise other forks won't be out before ours, but even if we're not the first to release -- what Wedge holds in its core is something that definitely shows how it's been in development for 14 months now. (Heck, with our New Revs topic, I believe we regularly give ideas to other implementors... :P)
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First of all, it puts pressure on us to deliver, which for a hobby project isn't necessarily what we want. But it's interesting to note how many people are enthusiastic, and I suspect that reflects how many people are discontented with SMF 2.0 going final.
Sure. And I'm also a bit upset not being able to offer anything else than our conversations and commit reports... (And just because SMF doesn't provide realtime changelog doesn't change anything to that.)
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: billy2 on October 19th, 2011, 09:27 PM
Anyone spending any longer than a nano second on Wedge.org before asking the 'when' question, can see the relentless progress being made.
Why rush, we waited long enough for 2.0....... With very little angst (not)
 :niark:
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Cassiel on October 19th, 2011, 11:01 PM
Quote from DirtRider on October 19th, 2011, 03:34 PM
I agree before you guys even think about releasing it it must be solid as you know how it is you have those waiting in the wings just to tear apart all the hard work you have put into it.
You mean Beta Testers? :P
Quote from Nao on October 19th, 2011, 08:50 PM
Sure. And I'm also a bit upset not being able to offer anything else than our conversations and commit reports... (And just because SMF doesn't provide realtime changelog doesn't change anything to that.)
I don't see why it should change that though. You offer up progress in a visual form. The face of SMF seems stagnant, with so few news updates or blog posts. With the openness that you and Pete bring forth you show everybody that this project has lifeblood that is running at 100 mph[1]. You give people the confidence of the project, which is a lot more meaningful than the code itself. After all, even if you had fantastic software there's no point if nobody is around to endorse it. So keep your chin up, Nao. You both are doing a fantastic job. :)
 1. Or 161 kph, if you prefer.
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Arantor on October 19th, 2011, 11:10 PM
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running at 100 mph
Personally, I prefer to hit 88 mph, when you're gonna see some serious shit[1] :D

As for everything else, we do try and offer up not only the pictures of how things are going, and the changelog but also insight and discussion into the direction we're going. Not all of that insight and discussion is currently public, but it isn't just two madmen with boxes.[2]
 1. Movie quote. Can't be tamed, lest I diminished the effect, sorry.
 2. Doctor Who reference.
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: william777 on October 20th, 2011, 03:13 AM
I appreciate all that you are doing for us. I can wait.
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Nao on October 20th, 2011, 06:59 AM
Quote from Arantor on October 19th, 2011, 11:10 PM
Personally, I prefer to hit 88 mph, when you're gonna see some serious shit
We're the docs, Doc!
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As for everything else, we do try and offer up not only the pictures of how things are going, and the changelog but also insight and discussion into the direction we're going. Not all of that insight and discussion is currently public, but it isn't just two madmen with boxes.
We're the docs, Doc!
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: HippyWhoopass on October 25th, 2011, 07:07 PM
No worries, Take your everlovin' sweet time to release Wedge. First impressions mean so much - especially those surrounding disruptive technologies. I so despise FaceBroke. Someday, Wedge may be the personal facebook of the future. Power to the people, negits to the sheeple!
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Arantor on March 17th, 2012, 08:02 PM
For great justice it should be noted that Wedge being in use on this site should not be considered a 'it's coming very soon' notice. It's ready for us to deploy here, and even then Nao spent pretty much an entire day doing the specific work making it suitable for this site.
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Nao on March 17th, 2012, 08:09 PM
I spent over 28 hours on it and I'm feeling like a zombie, see my latest thought... :P

The main issue with Wedge right now is that I've been committing an awful lot of skin changes and hacks that are going to need some clean-up before we can release those... ;)
But there's no better way to test-drive the software than using it on a rather large website like this one!
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Dog-One on March 27th, 2012, 10:26 AM
It's looking really good Nao.  You have already exceeded my expectations of what would be ready and when, so take your time with it now and enjoy what you've created.  A time will come when you wake up in the morning and decide, "Hey, I think I'll tarball this thing up and post it for download."

If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right.  ;)
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Arantor on March 27th, 2012, 12:18 PM
So far the worst part of Wedge for me is having to fend off all the people who keep asking when it's going to be ready without looking around and seeing that it isn't yet ready, like the number of items in Bug Reports...
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Nao on March 27th, 2012, 10:14 PM
Maybe they thunk it's like SMF2: having tons of bugs they still released it ;)
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Post by: Farjo on March 27th, 2012, 10:22 PM
You're at the SMF RC3 (was it?) stage - still a few bugs but the new skin is included :)
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Arantor on March 27th, 2012, 10:26 PM
RC2 was when the new theme came about. ;)
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Nao on March 28th, 2012, 12:18 PM
Quote from Farjo on March 27th, 2012, 10:22 PM
You're at the SMF RC3 (was it?) stage - still a few bugs but the new skin is included :)
Except that we're not feature-locked.
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Farjo on March 28th, 2012, 12:56 PM
True, plus you don't have enough bugs to be comparable with RC2. But it's OK I've got it sussed:

All the new features that you want in the final release - if you've started them, commit them; if you haven't then just make some half-arsed effort - you know just a screen with some vague labels and an OK button that gives nonsensical error messages. Commit these too and, in effect, you'll be feature-locked PLUS the software will be full of bugs.

Release this version then fall out with each other.

Thank you.
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: nolsilang on March 28th, 2012, 01:03 PM
I want to ask, is what Farjo just said is sarcasm? I don't quite get it what is Farjo trying to convey.
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Nao on March 28th, 2012, 01:06 PM
I really need to finish the privacy settings.
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Post by: Dragooon on March 28th, 2012, 01:06 PM
Quote from 0x on March 28th, 2012, 01:03 PM
I want to ask, is what Farjo just said is sarcasm? I don't quite get it what is Farjo trying to convey.
Pretty much, yeah.
Quote from Farjo on March 28th, 2012, 12:56 PM
True, plus you don't have enough bugs to be comparable with RC2. But it's OK I've got it sussed:

All the new features that you want in the final release - if you've started them, commit them; if you haven't then just make some half-arsed effort - you know just a screen with some vague labels and an OK button that gives nonsensical error messages. Commit these too and, in effect, you'll be feature-locked PLUS the software will be full of bugs.

Release this version then fall out with each other.

Thank you.
What software are you referring to? RC2 was actually pretty stable.
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Farjo on March 28th, 2012, 01:33 PM
Yes, I was just being sarcastic about the SMF RC experience :)
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Post by: nolsilang on March 28th, 2012, 01:43 PM
Ah... Thanks. I don't really get the context, so it just confused me. Never used SMF in live site, so nothing much to say.
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Nao on March 28th, 2012, 03:59 PM
OT - I'm going for a table-layout:fixed version of the post headers, so that topics with long titles (like this one) don't break layout.
Is that okay with you guys? (i.e. is it working in your browser?)
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Norodo on March 28th, 2012, 04:26 PM
Seems to work in FF13.
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Post by: Nao on March 28th, 2012, 05:56 PM
Yay. Even works on iOS.
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Post by: Farjo on March 28th, 2012, 05:57 PM
Looks good in Opera 11.
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Post by: Nao on March 28th, 2012, 06:02 PM
Which is what I'm doing all my dev work with ;)
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Post by: MultiformeIngegno on March 28th, 2012, 06:32 PM
Working on Chrome 63 ! :P
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Nao on March 28th, 2012, 07:41 PM
Okay guys, just post if it doesn't work, it'll be easier :P
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Post by: Arantor on March 28th, 2012, 08:45 PM
Works in Chrome beta too.
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Post by: Nao on March 28th, 2012, 09:11 PM
I think I should instead have asked if select boxes were working for everyone again ;)
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Post by: Cryotech on March 29th, 2012, 11:00 AM
It's looking awesome Nao. I'm using FF13 and it seems pretty seamless.

I'm not sure if I should post this next tidbit here or in the bug section and I apologize if it's in the wrong place. I don't *think* it's a bug, just a loading time issue.

When clicking on the quick access drop-down menu and selecting a board / section, I receive a "Loading" pop-up message at the top of my screen. The loading hangs for about 3 seconds before I'm redirected to my requested page and this happens regardless of my destination choice.

In any case, I'm definitely loving what I'm seeing :).
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Nao on March 29th, 2012, 11:35 AM
The redirection should be immediate, actually..? The only 'loading' you should get is the one when it loads the board list (i.e. when you click the Quick access select box itself.)
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: lazyt on April 1st, 2012, 06:44 AM
To change the subject for just a moment. I've followed this project since last summer off and on. I finally registered just because I could now like Arantors original post.

Keep up the good work folks. Some of us total code dummies really appreciate the effort you put into it.

I'm very patiently looking forward to the release. I may not be skilled enough to go live with it. However I will enjoy trying to figure it out.
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Nao on April 2nd, 2012, 05:23 PM
Thanks :)
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Post by: dazed on May 25th, 2012, 04:27 PM
Just as long as you guys finish before I die! :o


j/k
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Nao on May 25th, 2012, 04:42 PM
I feel the same... Oddly!
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Post by: Succubus Evaligan on May 30th, 2012, 06:41 PM
Wedge will work in IE6?
LOL
It's a joke. xD
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Arantor on May 30th, 2012, 06:41 PM
It'll probably work but I doubt it'll work very well!
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Nao on May 30th, 2012, 07:42 PM
If you'd asked back in 2011, I would have said a frank 'yes'.
Wedge has a lot of fallback code to make the transition from IE6 as smooth as possible. It supports plenty of crap.
And it was done in a way that would not hurt performance or features for other browsers (well, as much as I could.)

However, as time goes by -- I find myself testing under IE6 less and less, and *currently* the theme is VERY broken and looks awfully wrong in IE6 (IE7+ work fine except for a few issues that I try to keep up with.)

Quite honestly, because IE6's market share is under 1% in the US and around 3% globally (if we except China which is clearly not a target market for Wedgeward, mostly because of their overwhelming use of IE6), the more I think about it, the more I think I should get rid of IE6 support entirely... (Just keep my hacks for IE7 and IE8. And even some IE9 hacks, because Microsoft is a fun company to play with.)
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Post by: Inter on June 17th, 2012, 11:27 AM
annoys you that people ask you when the public release will come out? :eheh:

sorry my english

I also do a module for two years
I'm doing it do do do do do do do do, and I have a feeling that I never do, in this case need to be mentally balanced and optimistic - that I did not always work and I often disrupt other people while they are in no way to blame

Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: nolsilang on June 17th, 2012, 11:42 AM
Quote from Inter on June 17th, 2012, 11:27 AM
annoys you that people ask you when the public release will come out? :eheh:

sorry my english

I also do a module for two years
I'm doing it do do do do do do do do, and I have a feeling that I never do, in this case need to be mentally balanced and optimistic - that I did not always work and I often disrupt other people while they are in no way to blame
When it's ready :) you  can read the progress on new revs(http://wedge.org/pub/feats/6108/new-revs/)

I'm waiting the good news too :D
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Nao on June 17th, 2012, 03:21 PM
Quote from Inter on June 17th, 2012, 11:27 AM
I also do a module for two years
I'm doing it do do do do do do do do, and I have a feeling that I never do, in this case need to be mentally balanced and optimistic - that I did not always work and I often disrupt other people while they are in no way to blame
Except that we've been working on Wedge full time for 2 years. Without any break...

So -- it's done when it's done. It's in our interest that it's done as soon as possible. But it doesn't change the fact that quality work needs time to flesh itself out.
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Inter on July 16th, 2012, 04:35 PM
This year will be a public version?

ups:
Code: [Select]
Time: 16.07.2012 17:34:11
Error: $(this).data("that") is undefined
Source: http://wedge.org/cache/script-1342367230.js.gz
Line: 7

Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Arantor on July 16th, 2012, 04:39 PM
Quote from Inter on July 16th, 2012, 04:35 PM
This year will be a public version?
I am truly amazed at how many people seem unable to grasp the very simple concept of 'it will be done when it's done'.

Given that only a couple of weeks ago I was practically having a breakdown, let's just say I'm not motivated to run back into development from morning until night because I don't want to relapse, burn out again and disappear into the night.
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Post by: Inter on July 16th, 2012, 05:34 PM
I can not wait for :D
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Post by: Arantor on July 16th, 2012, 05:39 PM
You cannot wait for me to have a full breakdown?
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Post by: Nao on July 16th, 2012, 06:47 PM
In Moldova, Wedge releases you.

(Well, for some reason it doesn't work as well as those Soviet Russia jokes.)
Posted: July 16th, 2012, 06:44 PM
Quote from Inter on July 16th, 2012, 04:35 PM
Code: [Select]
Time: 16.07.2012 17:34:11
Error: $(this).data("that") is undefined
Source: http://wedge.org/cache/script-1342367230.js.gz
Line: 7
Would work better if you told me how to reproduce that...
There's only one $(this).data('that'), and it has single quotes, not double quotes, and it's in the toggler code, and it works fine for me... -_-
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Post by: Oracle on July 17th, 2012, 10:39 AM
Know what....Id like to see both of you taking a month or two off just to re energize the batteries. A project is one thing...healths another!
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Post by: Arantor on July 17th, 2012, 01:01 PM
Considering that I've only just got back off holiday (not that you'd know it)...?
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Post by: Dragooon on July 18th, 2012, 05:57 PM
Take another one! :P
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Post by: nend on July 18th, 2012, 06:16 PM
No need to download, just go to the hardware store, buy a block of wood and cut it diagonally. If you don't want to put any work into it then you can search to see if they have those wooden door stoppers.

However it doesn't need to be made out of wood. Go to your local supermarket and they may already carry a Wedge of cheese. If not buy a block and cut it diagonally to obtain your very own Wedge.

Now you have Wedge enjoy.

Your computer mouse will love, just look at the pic below.
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Post by: lazyt on July 19th, 2012, 01:49 AM
Silly you are. Wedge steel is.  lol lol lol
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Post by: Zootalaws on September 29th, 2012, 12:34 PM
Quote from Arantor on July 16th, 2012, 04:39 PM
Quote from Inter on July 16th, 2012, 04:35 PM
This year will be a public version?
I am truly amazed at how many people seem unable to grasp the very simple concept of 'it will be done when it's done'.
I am truly amazed by the amount of work you coders have done - respect!

Having worked on application project teams (not as a coder - not since OS370 Assembler) I am in awe of the work you have put in.

I, for one, can wait for 'when it's done'. The alternative is to pay you to do it and I don't got the cash ;)
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Post by: Sara on September 29th, 2012, 05:26 PM
Quote from Zootalaws on September 29th, 2012, 12:34 PM
The alternative is to pay you to do it and I don't got the cash ;)
Actually, I offered 100 dollars and they refused it.
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Post by: live627 on September 30th, 2012, 06:11 AM
Quote from siliconsara on September 29th, 2012, 05:26 PM
Quote from Zootalaws on September 29th, 2012, 12:34 PM
The alternative is to pay you to do it and I don't got the cash ;)
Actually, I offered 100 dollars and they refused it.
Based on the notion that money isn't a real motivator for them...
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Post by: godboko71 on September 30th, 2012, 09:03 AM
Plus 100 dollars only pays like an hour, two hours of development max :-P
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Post by: Sara on September 30th, 2012, 04:44 PM
A 100 bucks is a 100 bucks, regardless of timekeeping.  100 bucks can buy plenty of beers. ;)

But it's a moot point since I know now that they do not accept money for the project.
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Post by: Arantor on September 30th, 2012, 05:02 PM
Consider what would happen if we did accept money for the project.

For every person that provided money, there would be an increased implication of owing something. If you give money, you expect something in return, it stops being anything other than a contract of sorts.

There are already enough people who are demanding and expecting things, accepting money would make that worse, and in all honesty I don't see how it would accelerate anything.
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Post by: lazyt on September 30th, 2012, 08:27 PM
I dunno I would toss in 20 or so just because I like the site and learn a lot here.
Heck I've donated to other open source projects for less reasons. Most of them I never even expected to use I just liked the direction they were going.
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Post by: Nao on October 3rd, 2012, 06:25 PM
Quote from Arantor on September 30th, 2012, 05:02 PM
Consider what would happen if we did accept money for the project.
Although I don't actually remember siliconsara offering me $100 for anything...?!
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For every person that provided money, there would be an increased implication of owing something. If you give money, you expect something in return, it stops being anything other than a contract of sorts.
Not really, from my experience... It depends if people feel that the 'price is right'. Some will have problems and won't even bother to tell us, even if we made them pay, because they'll assume it's their issue to fix, not ours (whether it's true or not). Others will think it's expensive (even if it's $5 or whatever) and expect us to install and configure everything for them. There's always going to be a wide range of people with different technical skills, different expectations and different behaviors.
Just don't reduce everyone to the smaller group of whiners, really most people are nice, probably even nicer than the 'free' crowd, because if they give you money, sometimes it's not only for the software, or the service, but because they just plain like you :)
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Post by: godboko71 on October 3rd, 2012, 09:40 PM
If I wasn't poor I would send ya both money :p Someday I will be wealthy enough to have money to give, or you know pay bills haha
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Post by: Sara on October 4th, 2012, 03:51 AM
Quote from Nao on October 3rd, 2012, 06:25 PM
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Although I don't actually remember siliconsara offering me $100 for anything...?!
Go to my profile and check my thoughts archive.  It's the first thought I made.

I admit I wanted to give the money my users donated to wedge to see if things would go faster. While I am a sad example I am also realizing why Aranator said no.  I don't want anyone to feel obligated if it means sacrificing their feelings for a project.  I love wedge and wish I could help in any way I can.
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Post by: Arantor on October 4th, 2012, 04:19 AM
Question from the back, who's Aranator? ;)

The great news is: you can help. Read the discussions, particularly about features and have your say :)
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Post by: Sara on October 4th, 2012, 04:24 AM
Quote from Arantor on October 4th, 2012, 04:19 AM
Question from the back, who's Aranator? ;)

The great news is: you can help. Read the discussions, particularly about features and have your say :)
Hehe, I had a brainfart there for a second.

Anyway, some things I want to say feels like I'm in a room full of professionals and I'm the wee advanced beginner in the back.  It sounds like a trivial personal problem but that's how I feel.
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Post by: Arantor on October 4th, 2012, 04:28 AM
If in doubt, say it. What annoys me is not people who have ideas or who don't know what they're talking about, what annoys me is the feeling of having to explain myself multiple times for the feeling of not being listened to. (Yup, that is certainly one of my failings. I don't mind people doing something different to what I recommend but I will damn well be heard in so doing!)

The only silly ideas are the ones people don't apply a little bit of thought to before voicing.
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It sounds like a trivial personal problem but that's how I feel.
It is not trivial nor is it a problem that you're alone in facing. I've been trying to learn Unity 3D lately, and despite having spent hours banging my head off a wall, I haven't yet been able to face starting a topic to ask a simple question for exactly that same reason. You're not alone.
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Post by: Sara on October 4th, 2012, 04:31 AM
Thank you for your input. :thanks:  I will try my best to have a more populated voice in the forums. :)
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Post by: Nao on November 1st, 2012, 06:18 PM
Oh... We have an answer to that dreaded question, now! :eheh:

And the answer is: right now, if you're willing to help with the testing ;)
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Post by: Arantor on November 1st, 2012, 06:25 PM
Willing, able and approved ;) This is a private alpha, after all.
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Post by: Allan on December 11th, 2012, 02:32 AM
OK have to ask where can we download and install wedge?
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Post by: Arantor on December 11th, 2012, 02:56 AM
Did you read the first post?

:edit: To sum up, you can't yet download it. Only the beta testers can download it, and already their version is a bit out of date now.
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Post by: Allan on December 11th, 2012, 03:05 AM
Yes sir I did, and then I saw the top post on this page so I just had to ask  :eheh:
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Post by: Arantor on December 11th, 2012, 03:07 AM
Ah, so it is ironic rather than uninformed, that's cool :) Nice to see someone did read it ;)
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Post by: Allan on December 11th, 2012, 03:11 AM
I have learned my lesson over the decade of being into forums lol always read first post before asking.
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Post by: Arantor on December 11th, 2012, 03:18 AM
You sir are a rare nugget of sanity in these increasingly insane times :) *tip of the hat*
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Post by: Allan on December 11th, 2012, 03:19 AM
Thank you, still I love forums and meeting the people within them.
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Post by: Gargoyle on January 4th, 2013, 02:56 AM
When the time comes I would like to test this in a production environment. The only thing I would need is the ability to transfer my existing SMF database into Wedge. I have been following the progress since this projects beginning and I am not surprised to see how well its turning out.

Lots of respect for you all.

If I can help test I would love to.
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Post by: agent47 on January 4th, 2013, 10:10 AM
Quote from Gargoyle on January 4th, 2013, 02:56 AM
When the time comes I would like to test this in a production environment. The only thing I would need is the ability to transfer my existing SMF database into Wedge. I have been following the progress since this projects beginning and I am not surprised to see how well its turning out.

Lots of respect for you all.

If I can help test I would love to.
If I remember correctly yes, they do plan on creating a SMF -> Wedge converter.
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Post by: Nao on January 4th, 2013, 12:17 PM
It isn't planned. It's already there. We just won't distribute it until we enter the beta phase. ;)

It was written by TE by the way, not us, but wedge.org was converted very easily with it.
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Post by: Gargoyle on January 5th, 2013, 12:25 AM
Sounds great... My SMF install is down again so whenever your ready I am ready as well!!

Thanks for all the work!
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Post by: Arantor on January 5th, 2013, 12:31 AM
I wouldn't hold your breath on getting a public alpha any time soon, though. While we've had some positive feedback to the private alpha, there are currently a few major overhauls going on that will enforce any further alphas happening particularly promptly, namely the plugin upload system, the ban system and by all appearances the permissions system.
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Post by: Gargoyle on January 5th, 2013, 12:53 AM
Ok... I will continue to breathe as suggested... LOL!!

I've had a rough road with SMF and spam attacks since the 2.0 release. Maybe I'm just lucky but out of the 4 sites I host / run the SMF one gets the most attention it seems. So like I said when its ready I'd love to give it a whirl. On a live production environment. Even with the bugs it's probably way better than what I got.

You guys are good at this... I've seen the proof so I can wait.

Thanks again!

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Post by: Nao on January 5th, 2013, 02:26 AM
The usual answer for spam fighting: fill in anti-spam questions that are unique to your forum... This actually works, at least for spam bots. When it comes to human spammers, though, there's not much you can do but ban them...
Title: Re: When can I download Wedge? / Where can I download Wedge?
Post by: Arantor on January 5th, 2013, 02:30 AM
And guess what you can't do in Wedge right now? :P
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Post by: live627 on January 5th, 2013, 02:33 AM
Eat dinner :P
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Post by: Nao on January 5th, 2013, 03:33 AM
Eat spam, to be precise!
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Post by: Dismal Shadow on January 8th, 2013, 06:09 AM
Cakes? You can't eat cakes in Wedge, the cake is a lie, pie is best. ;)
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Post by: Gargoyle on January 12th, 2013, 05:33 PM
Recently I think my biggest issue is being on shared hosting... Such a drag.. Sadly my Mac is a better host than most "shared hosting plans" in my experience.

Thanks for the tip Nao. I have 3 of them filled out and was using an antispam mod that was tied into project honeypot with fantastic results. But a server crash and failed backup has put most of that to into the bin and I have a great spot to start over.

I am slowly rebuilding the SMF here and there but poor hosting seems to be taking up most of my time. Seems like no matter where I go there are issues.

Thanks again!! I'll keep checking back.
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Post by: Lynx on February 23rd, 2013, 08:39 PM
When can I download Wedge?








Sorry, please don't ban me :D
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Post by: Dismal Shadow on February 23rd, 2013, 11:33 PM
/meis not sure if it's sarcasm or not...
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Post by: Arantor on February 23rd, 2013, 11:41 PM
I choose to believe it is for now.
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Post by: Nao on February 23rd, 2013, 11:49 PM
Well, it does make it obvious that our recent decision to release a new private alpha didn't come to fruition...
As always, as soon as a 'big' feature is being worked on, we can't release an alpha to show it off until it's ready.

Hey, first post since I've recovered from my fever. I started work on implementing flexbox in a critical area, but it's harder than expected... Ah well, not exactly a nice comeback... :lol:
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Post by: Arantor on February 23rd, 2013, 11:51 PM
Well, right now I'm 'in between' features. I'm still trying to figure out how I want things to look and function with the language editor ;)

And it's not like I know what to work on otherwise, my list is way too huge to pick something easily. I mean, my last topic just came out randomly clicking things in the admin panel and thinking, crap I hate that page, how can I fix it?
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Post by: Allan on February 27th, 2013, 04:56 AM
I would like to get to a copy of wedge and try it out on a test site. Would this be possible?
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Post by: Arantor on February 27th, 2013, 04:57 AM
If you read some of the other posts, it might be. But it requires a little bit of effort.
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Post by: Allan on February 27th, 2013, 03:02 PM
Shouldn't be that hard, I think I could handle it.
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Post by: Arantor on February 27th, 2013, 03:06 PM
For your first challenge, find the thread where alpha access is discussed, read it and answer what it says...
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Post by: Allan on February 27th, 2013, 03:09 PM
Gotcha was just reading it :eheh: