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Title: What about mobile?
Post by: nhwd on August 16th, 2011, 05:24 PM
I was just wondering... what are the plans or ideas for Wedge's mobile version (if any)?
Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: Arantor on August 16th, 2011, 05:30 PM
There is already a mobile version built in.

We have talked about making a more modern mobile version, and Dragooon has a very nice theme for smartphones that he may decide to add to Wedge's core, but that's totally up to him whether he will or not.
Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: nhwd on August 16th, 2011, 05:56 PM
Do you mean the mobile version provided by SMF? I've never really liked it.
Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: Arantor on August 16th, 2011, 05:56 PM
Quote from nhwd on August 16th, 2011, 05:56 PM
Do you mean the mobile version provided by SMF? I've never really liked it.
Never liked "it"? Which "it"? SMF has 3 mobile modes, we've removed WAP1 and iMode, leaving only WAP2 available.
Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: Nao on August 16th, 2011, 06:57 PM
...It should also be pointed that Wedge's default theme is optimized for any kinds of resolutions. The sidebar is moved aside on the fly, font size is bigger, things like that. It makes for a pleasant, if not perfect, experience, out of the box.
Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: nhwd on August 28th, 2011, 08:33 AM
Quote from Arantor on August 16th, 2011, 05:56 PM
Quote from nhwd on August 16th, 2011, 05:56 PM
Do you mean the mobile version provided by SMF? I've never really liked it.
Never liked "it"? Which "it"? SMF has 3 mobile modes, we've removed WAP1 and iMode, leaving only WAP2 available.
You're right I forgot SMF has 3.. but truthfully I don't like any of them. The features are limited and there is no effort put towards design at all. Of course, design should be minimal but it shouldn't be nonexistent.
Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: nhwd on August 28th, 2011, 09:16 AM
Take a look at this.. the design is minimal and easy to use.

http://smf-media.com/community/index.php?thememode=mobile

more info @: http://smf-media.com/smf4mobile/
Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: Dragooon on August 28th, 2011, 09:37 AM
What do you think he referred to here?
Quote from Arantor
and Dragooon has a very nice theme for smartphones that he may decide to add to Wedge's core, but that's totally up to him whether he will or not.
Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: Nao on August 28th, 2011, 10:02 AM
Btw Dragooon. You haven't answered Pete's suggestion. Maybe you just wanna let me do the port? ;)
(I still think Wine and co look good on mobile phones though!)
Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: Dragooon on August 28th, 2011, 10:20 AM
I haven't done the port yet because I'm still working on 1.1(It is taking a lot longer because I've been experimenting a lot with different UI ideas and backend scripts). Although if you wanna help go ahead.
Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: Nao on August 28th, 2011, 10:28 AM
Starting from which repo/release?
Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: Dragooon on August 28th, 2011, 10:38 AM
I'd like to wait till SMF4Mobile 1.1 is atleast beta 2-3 before trying it out on Wedge. If you want you can give 1.0 a shot to port.
Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: nhwd on August 29th, 2011, 03:08 AM
Quote from Dragooon on August 28th, 2011, 09:37 AM
What do you think he referred to here?
Quote from Arantor
and Dragooon has a very nice theme for smartphones that he may decide to add to Wedge's core, but that's totally up to him whether he will or not.
ohh ok I didn't know that was Dragooon's creation
Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: DirtRider on August 29th, 2011, 04:00 PM
What about TapaTalk it is neat and I have found since I have been using it on my forum I am having plenty hits and new members registering from it. It has already been done for SMF as well

http://www.tapatalk.com/
Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: Dismal Shadow on August 29th, 2011, 04:29 PM
http://wedge.org/gfx/6451/tapatalk/

http://wedge.org/off/6508/released-smf4mobile-a-new-theme-for-smf-dedicated-to-smart-phones/
Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on August 29th, 2011, 04:31 PM
@DirtRider: Are you paid or what..?
We already have the awesome Dragooon's implementation!
Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: Arantor on August 29th, 2011, 06:04 PM
Tapatalk can do attachments, which no theme can (on iOS anyway)
Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: Nao on August 29th, 2011, 06:04 PM
Yeah, the only point of Tapatalk at this point is the 'directory' of sorts that it offers.
Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: DirtRider on August 29th, 2011, 07:07 PM
Quote from MultiformeIngegno on August 29th, 2011, 04:31 PM
@DirtRider: Are you paid or what..?
We already have the awesome Dragooon's implementation!
Paid for what  :whistle:

Tapatalk needs to be purchased by the member the forum side is free and I was not really into installing it but more and more members started asking for it so I installed it. I purchased the smart phone software and to be honest I rather use Opera Mini for my forums that I do visit. BUT hey from an admin side and forum owner side it works great for the members and they love it  :eheh:
Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: Arantor on August 29th, 2011, 07:58 PM
If it wouldn't cause me to have serious frustration I'd build a similar app for Wedge and distribute it, so that forum admins could (like vB owners) create an app just for their forum, branded how they want.

But then I'd have to explain to admins that wanted to that they'd have to pay $99 to Apple in order to distribute it... Yeah, like I said, frustration.
Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: MultiformeIngegno on August 29th, 2011, 08:57 PM
@DirtRider: paid for spamming
Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: tfs on August 30th, 2011, 01:54 AM
Quote from Arantor on August 29th, 2011, 07:58 PM
If it wouldn't cause me to have serious frustration I'd build a similar app for Wedge and distribute it, so that forum admins could (like vB owners) create an app just for their forum, branded how they want.
I think if you were to write a Tapatalk-like program for smart phones, and integrate it with Wedgedesk, you'd have the potential to make some serious $.
Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: Arantor on August 30th, 2011, 02:29 AM
That still doesn't solve the mindnumbing headache that people wanting to create their own branded edition still have to have Apple developer accounts, though.

I have one of those, because I paid for the privilege - and on the other hand I have no intention of learning Java to write anything for Android... which says to me it may not be the best approach all round.
Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: DirtRider on August 30th, 2011, 06:30 AM
Quote from Arantor on August 29th, 2011, 07:58 PM
If it wouldn't cause me to have serious frustration I'd build a similar app for Wedge and distribute it, so that forum admins could (like vB owners) create an app just for their forum, branded how they want.
I don't know about writing one I just thought maybe making wedge comparable or listed with TapaTalk so admins have that option to use it. As I say from a user point of view I now only use it for testing
Quote from MultiformeIngegno on August 29th, 2011, 08:57 PM
@DirtRider: paid for spamming
Yeah well you see when they stopped paying me for doing development on Wedge they started paying me to spam here  :lol:
Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: tfs on August 30th, 2011, 07:21 AM
I've got Tapatalk on my iPhone, and it does a good job of making a SMF forum usable on such a small screen.  But what I'm thinking is that an iPhone app, which integrates with a free helpdesk, could make some money, and do it via the App Store.  There's no need to worry about sending out monthly bills for hosting help desks, no need to sell software in the open market.... just an app for sale in the App Store for $20 a pop.  There's more money to be made there than in selling me one copy of a smart phone friendly theme, because I've got 10-15 clients who would be in the market for such an iPhone app.

Branding doesn't appeal to me nearly as much as if I could purchase a bunch of licenses for smart phone apps that could interface with the help desk that I run.  Then I'd resell those licenses to my clients at a small profit, or even at a loss.  I'd recoup that money by selling access to the help desk, and you'd get your cut from the App Store.

Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: DirtRider on August 30th, 2011, 08:02 AM
I think it is a lot about making it work that will work for the forum owner and end user and if you can make a few bucks out of it why not. After all development on anything at the end of it needs to be paid for. You can only do so much without making any money out of it
Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: Arantor on August 30th, 2011, 09:09 AM
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Branding doesn't appeal to me nearly as much as if I could purchase a bunch of licenses for smart phone apps that could interface with the help desk that I run.  Then I'd resell those licenses to my clients at a small profit, or even at a loss.  I'd recoup that money by selling access to the help desk, and you'd get your cut from the App Store.
Here's where it starts to get very problematic - I don't think you can resell it like that. Buying an app in the App Store is tied to your Apple ID, which is inherently tied to your devices (whatever Apple based gizmos you have, be they regular Mac, iPhone, iPad, iPod), so I don't think you can buy en-masse, but I could be wrong. I haven't gone into the details there.

(Being a registered developer hasn't meant that I've looked into distribution yet, I've made use of the facility by having access to the SDK and being able to run stuff directly on my iPad, but that's it thus far)
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I don't know about writing one I just thought maybe making wedge comparable or listed with TapaTalk so admins have that option to use it. As I say from a user point of view I now only use it for testing
That would be up to the Tapatalk guys primarily but I'm not entirely averse to working with them to make it easier. I'm still slightly proud that they had to include specific compatibility code for two of my mods, though I'm not sure why I'm proud of that. (For those wondering, it was Annoy User (original version) and SimpleDesk)
Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: Nao on August 30th, 2011, 10:29 AM
Did they do that for AeMe, too? :P
Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: Arantor on August 30th, 2011, 10:37 AM
No, they had to put special code in because my code conflicted with theirs.

Because of the operations being done and the way they were done, they were added very early in the process, running from Load.php - but this conflicted with how Tapatalk works.
Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: Dismal Shadow on August 30th, 2011, 02:51 PM
Quote from Arantor on August 30th, 2011, 10:37 AM
No, they had to put special code in because my code conflicted with theirs.

Because of the operations being done and the way they were done, they were added very early in the process, running from Load.php - but this conflicted with how Tapatalk works.
I remembered that. :D
Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: tfs on August 30th, 2011, 05:53 PM
Quote from Arantor on August 30th, 2011, 09:09 AM
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Branding doesn't appeal to me nearly as much as if I could purchase a bunch of licenses for smart phone apps that could interface with the help desk that I run.  Then I'd resell those licenses to my clients at a small profit, or even at a loss.  I'd recoup that money by selling access to the help desk, and you'd get your cut from the App Store.
Here's where it starts to get very problematic - I don't think you can resell it like that. Buying an app in the App Store is tied to your Apple ID, which is inherently tied to your devices (whatever Apple based gizmos you have, be they regular Mac, iPhone, iPad, iPod), so I don't think you can buy en-masse, but I could be wrong. I haven't gone into the details there.
I don't know if it works like that either, but it would amaze me if there wasn't a mechanism in place to accomplish it.  After all, Apple wants to maximize sales.  I was imagining that I could purchase special one time codes that I gave to my clients.  Or maybe I give it away and then there's an in-app purchase.  I guess that would work for a branded version.  And in reality, a branded version, to me, really just means that it has my splash screen, and it's limited to connecting to a specific URL.
Title: Re: What about mobile?
Post by: Arantor on August 30th, 2011, 06:00 PM
It's not really business oriented, but user oriented. That said, I too would be surprised. If I get time (hahahaha), I'll take a look because I'm curious now.