Wedge
Public area => The Pub => Topic started by: Powerbob on June 6th, 2011, 09:40 AM
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Will you be doing something similar to charter members? to give financial support?
Bob
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I honestly don't know.
I always had the impression that the SMF team hated it because they actually had some reasonably responsibility to those who had donated, which is sort of at odds with the whole 'volunteer community' thing they keep pushing. And, FWIW, I don't like feeling as though I owe anything to anyone. I build, because I enjoy building, and anything else tends to grate at me.
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When we need funds we'll figure it out. We aren't doing this for money -- the real money is not in free software. I come from a business world where money is everything. Meh.
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When we need funds we'll figure it out. We aren't doing this for money -- the real money is not in free software. I come from a business world where money is everything. Meh.
I honestly don't know.
I always had the impression that the SMF team hated it because they actually had some reasonably responsibility to those who had donated, which is sort of at odds with the whole 'volunteer community' thing they keep pushing. And, FWIW, I don't like feeling as though I owe anything to anyone. I build, because I enjoy building, and anything else tends to grate at me.
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I always had the impression that the SMF team hated it because they actually had some reasonably responsibility to those who had donated
-[Unknown]
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Welcomw Unknown! :)
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Hey [Unknown]! Welcome! :D It's a pleasure to meet you sir :)
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Welcome! And glad to see we agree ;)
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When we need funds we'll figure it out. We aren't doing this for money -- the real money is not in free software. ...
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If you need a (german) download mirror feel free to drop me a PM.
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When we need funds we'll figure it out. We aren't doing this for money -- the real money is not in free software. ...
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I agree. I normally donate to a good cause, something that I appreciate or enjoy and expect no special treatment in return. The problem is that many that donate have the idea that they are owed something for their generosity. They fail to conceive the true meaning of the word "donation".
One should not expect to be singled out for special treatment simply because of offering a donation. That would more or less be considered payment for services, not a donation.
;)
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One should not expect to be singled out for special treatment simply because of offering a donation. That would more or less be considered payment for services, not a donation.
For example, MobyGames has a donation setup. If you donate, you get a little star by your name, to recognise the fact that you donated to the cause. There's no service attached, merely an indicator that you donated to the cause.
Similarly, I don't really have a problem with getting a badge indicating a donation was made. But when that donation involves access to a private help area, which includes installation and upgrades potentially being made for you, that's something else altogether.
This is also why somewhere I discussed getting t-shirts sorted out, simply because that way you get something tangible and there's no ethical debate over it being donation vs. service. You're buying a tangible good, rational transaction of money for goods.
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I really wouldn't consider the SMF Charter program a form of donation acceptance. They state that if you donate a certain amount of funds then you will be given Charter access and/or certain, specific benefits. To me this is not a form of donation but special services or privileges for a set price. This is sales, not a donation program.
A donation is a form of presenting a gift or contribution without the expectation of receiving something in return. Other than some form of acknowledgement, if desired, nothing else should be expected from the result of donating.
Although I see nothing wrong with offering members a choice to donate if they like, I have no issue paying for certain services but if I desire to donate, I certainly do not expect a reward.
;)
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I really wouldn't consider the SMF Charter program a form of donation acceptance.
A donation is a form of presenting a gift or contribution without the expectation of receiving something in return. Other than some form of acknowledgement, if desired, nothing else should be expected from the result of donating.
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Yup. Like I said, I personally would be comfortable with offering a badge to indicate donor, but anything beyond that is questionable.
I suppose you could say that about any badge. Apart from the 'friend' badge of course :lol:
Why dont you stick with the Tshirt idea - its private, and those that do buy a Tshirt will know they are helping quietly behind the scenes - without actually being publically recognised.
I guess what I am saying is; those that want to donate - great - buy a Tee.
Those that are not financially able but really really want to donate, are not persecuted made to feel inadequate outdone by not having a badge.
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If and when we go down the road of financial support, that's where I suspect we'll go first.
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I agree. I normally donate to a good cause, something that I appreciate or enjoy and expect no special treatment in return. The problem is that many that donate have the idea that they are owed something for their generosity. They fail to conceive the true meaning of the word "donation".
One should not expect to be singled out for special treatment simply because of offering a donation. That would more or less be considered payment for services, not a donation.
;)
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If and when we go down the road of financial support, that's where I suspect we'll go first.
Not saying you owe anyone anything. Its just what I did. ;D
Love to see you all together and coding also. Dragoon was always nice to me, Nao and arantor as well.. Its nice to see you all together. Gives me confidence that things will continue to progress and be awesome.
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I agree. I normally donate to a good cause, something that I appreciate or enjoy and expect no special treatment in return. The problem is that many that donate have the idea that they are owed something for their generosity. They fail to conceive the true meaning of the word "donation".
One should not expect to be singled out for special treatment simply because of offering a donation. That would more or less be considered payment for services, not a donation.
;)
true!!!! but its not users fault ... if they pay a certain amount of money to have extra privileges ,then they deserve to have them and its logical to claim them if they dont ...
the problem is with developers ... they dont have the balls to call it a paid service , so they cover it under the word donation... ;)
i am not against some extra "attention" , group or services to donators ... i am against the cover up!
donation is the same shit if you give 1$ or 100$ ...if you must give x$ then its a paid service.... :hmm:
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This is why when WedgeDesk is released, I have no qualms calling it paid-for software.
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And when AeMe 2.0 is released for Wedge, I...
Oh wait... It's already in Wedge. Oh fuck, there goes my evil business plan :lol:
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The difference is that Aeva is popular, and WedgeDesk... isn't what you'd call popular. I don't see it as a business plan, exactly, more like Foxy was originally, an add-on that's nice to have, capable and not needed by everyone, but for those who do, they'd probably be quite happy to pay for it.
(I'm thinking in the $30 sort of range at the moment)
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As a reminder I sold about two months' salary worth of AeMe copies (for a two year investment). I think a third of it was made when I slashed the price so there is no perfect price for it. I wouldn't expect WD to make that amount so just consider it as a small compensation for Pete's work on Wedge. (I'm talking to future buyers of WD mostly ;))
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It's also a bit of a stick (think carrot and stick) for people who want support on it: if I'm supporting WD, I'm not working on Wedge, and as ever people who want something for themselves as opposed to something for everyone without being prepared to contribute time and effort, I think they should put something else in like money.
(And that can happily go towards server costs in the future if necessary)
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Hi, I'm new but thought I might pipe up.
Rather than money, I would be happy to offer US (east coast) web space if you need it - I have unlimited disk for mirroring, etc.
Not looking for any kind of special relationship, kudos or a 'badge' - I like the project and would be happy to support you where I could.
Security can be worked out to your satisfaction, once the space is up and running, I wouldn't want to be involved in any of the running, unless you needed help with something.
I could easily set up something if you want, just PM me.
As to anywhere else you need help, I am not a coder, but have 35 years tech/net/comms experience - server farms and distributed apps, mostly. Good with docs, testing (if it can be broken, I am usually the one that did it :)) and UI feedback.
Great project, guys. I like SMF but am frustrated with so many things... I hope that Wedge is a success for you.
Mike
(I have been skulking here for some weeks, but only registered today)
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Thank you, that's nice to know :)
We don't need anything for now, though, as can be expected!
Is the current (French) server slow for you, BTW?
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I live on the steamy jungle-covered paradise that is Borneo - everything here is slow :)
We have to sort out the bottleneck: that is, two gibbons with coconut shells and a 5km piece of string... they were doing all right till I started hosting a joke site, now they spend all their time falling out of the trees, so I have to reboot them back up to their post.
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You lucky bastard :lol:
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Indeed lucky bastard! :D
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It's not all great - it's slow, warm, easy-going, but it is a nightmare technologically, and trying to get anything DONE is near impossible... after a year I am gradually learning to chill TF out :)