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Public area => Off-topic => The Pub => Other software => Topic started by: Dr. Deejay on June 22nd, 2011, 06:49 PM
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He isn't in the team anymore (he doesn't wear a dev badge and he's not on the team page anymore), but he doesn't have a friend badge. Anyone else noticed this?
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Don't know what happened :/
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Hmm, indeed...
I doubt there's a big dose of drama behind this. It's probably a mistake on their part.
But I wouldn't be surprised that he left. He was in a bad position -- these last few months, he was pretty much the only one working on finishing SMF2. Must have worn him out... I dunno.
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This is one of those things that are probably better asked on SM.org, I think. :)
I hadn't noticed yet, by the way; I haven't really kept an eye on the team page recently.
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Can't really say what happened - as I don't really understand myself either,
but there is no big drama behind it that I know of, he just wanted to leave SMF behind for now...
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Hey Lex, remember his post in the dev blog where he stated, or rather implied, that the overall public attitude he was hearing constantly demotivated him? I'll guess that's the reason.
Also the official SMF kitty is now unofficial from the team page.
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Hey Lex, remember his post in the dev blog where he stated, or rather implied, that the overall public attitude he was hearing constantly demotivated him? I'll guess that's the reason.
Also the official SMF kitty is now unofficial from the team page.
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Did the pillars of the SMF Team came crashing down as of late?
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Kat's departure from the SMF team was something he discussed internally with them for a month or two I believe. He didn't discuss it here, though, so I assumed he'd given up on the idea.
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I just started a thread about part of my withdrawal.
The main gist, greatly simplied, is thus:
A little while back, there was a vote for the Support team lead.
The current Lead, Jim M, was hardly ever on the forum and he did hardly anything.
There had been a lot of complaints about it, too.
So, I stood against him, in the vote.
Then, Lex got nominated and accepted.
Having had various conversations with Lex, I knew that he felt the same way that I did. So, rather than see the vote split and Jim get back in, I dropped out.
What happened? Jim got voted back in! How? Because the other team leads voted for him!
Team leads? What the hell were they allowed to vote for? It should've been just the support team that voted!
But, they let the vote stand.
One of the other problems, was that Jim kept letting certain people have certain tasks to do. Apprentice mentors, that kinda thing.
Those people weren't into doing things for SMF's sake. They did things to make money out of it.
You know who they are...
So, when Jim got voted back in, I resigned, as I'd said I would. (I'm a man of my word, if nothing else)
That was that.
The stupid thing, is that most of the other team leads told me that I shouldn't have dropped out of the vote, because they would've voted for me!
They were, obviously, totally out of touch with what had been going-on, within the support team.
Which is why members of the support team should've been the only ones allowed to vote.
Idiocy. Total and utter idiocy.
You know what, though?
I'm doing almost as much support, now, as I did when I was on-site!
People who don't want to go on the forum, because of the "Atmosphere"...
I quote "What are they? Fucking robots? Does SMF batter the personalities out of people, or something?"
Actually, I really miss the place. But, the horse has bolted and the door's been locked. :(
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Kat, you know you're always welcome here! And we'll be needing help in the support department too ;)
It's up to you, of course!
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I'd imagine that that's quite a way down the line, that.
I'll definitely be interested, though.
THANKS!
Just for now, though, I'm sure you'll understand that I have a genuine, if misguided, hope that SMF will put it's house in order.
Maybe I have more chance of pissing on the moon, though...
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Maybe I have more chance of pissing on the moon, though...
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Maybe I have more chance of pissing on the moon, though...
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*psst* bbPress? *psst*
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bbPress sucks. How can you compare that to SMF :P
SimpleForum for WordPress would be a much better guess. At least it seems to be usable like a forum (rather than focus on layout/design.)
Still, it's a far cry from Wedge or even SMF...
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Even big sites use bbPress and call it a forum...
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From what I heard, SiNaN had actually said he wasn't going to code on SMF after final was released for quite a long time. There's nothing recent that made him quit that I'm aware of. I've also heard that he is going to develop on core with Norv though. So I don't think he's completely out of the picture.
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What happened? Jim got voted back in! How? Because the other team leads voted for him!
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Except that bringing the problems into the open wouldn't have changed anything because what I'm seeing is a repeat of 2 years ago, just with different names. Nothing seems to have changed from what I can see from outside the wall. But the same sorts of lines were being used when I could see inside the wall, ergo I can only assume that nothing has changed.
The question I put to you before, which you went off at a tangent answering (if I remember rightly) is simple: how can people be on a team, with a badge (and sometimes additionally a title) that indicates they have responsibilities when they seem to be able to shirk that responsibility at will? If someone isn't living up to the responsibilities they have been charged with, and presumably accepted, why are they still given said responsibilities? And please don't give me the 'we're all volunteers' crap, because it doesn't wash, simply because it's long since stopped being a reason and started being an excuse. Being a volunteer doesn't mean you can shirk responsibility: if you accept it, follow up on it, and if you can't, step back from that responsibility. End of story.
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Well despite whatever outward appearances you are seeing, I can attest that things have indeed changed. While it's certainly not perfect and will never be, conversations are much more civil and are handled much better IMO. Otherwise I wouldn't be on the team.
As for the responsibilities I agree to a certain extent. I don't mind if someone shirks their duty for their own personal reasons. If it's a continual thing and they never do team duties, then yes I'll bring it up. In fact, I already have with at least 3 members of my own team. But it's not so cut and dry as it comes off in your post. You have to allow for some wiggle room. And some times that room needs to happen a little often until things get settled in ones personal life.
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Well despite whatever outward appearances you are seeing, I can attest that things have indeed changed. While it's certainly not perfect and will never be, conversations are much more civil and are handled much better IMO. Otherwise I wouldn't be on the team.
I'm still banned over there, lost friend status etc.
Not that I care at all (it's been a while since I cared), but I don't call this "much more civil". Given that they're now openly acknowledging that they're censoring mentions of Wedge (as Illori said herself a few days ago, which I'm surprised nobody pointed out as abusive), you'll have a hard time convincing me they're doing anything these days in a 'civil' manner.
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I think K@ and Sinan are both much missed at simplemachines.org
That's what I think.
I miss Nao and Arantor at simplemachines.org, too.
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Any serious support apart from 'click here' 'click there' 'go to admin> blah blah' is getting less and less over there now as more and more of the serious players are coming over to Wedge.
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And why shouldn't a Lead get to vote on a person that they have to work with?
Cliques are bad news.If you were so hell bent on getting Jim out, you should have taken it upon yourself to bring the problems you saw out into the open long before a vote on it. Not everyone spends the amount of time you did on the board, so really nobody knew what you did.
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(Road Rash, didn't you post a testimony here, yesterday, about the SMF team's lack of "civil manners"?)
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My belief is that some of that can be put down to cultural differences, in many cases.
It's merely perception.
Not all, sadly. But quite a few.
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I think K@ and Sinan are both much missed at simplemachines.org
That's what I think.
(http://www.katzy.dsl.pipex.com/Smileys/kissblush.gif)
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(Road Rash, didn't you post a testimony here, yesterday, about the SMF team's lack of "civil manners"?)
It's strange how a current situation unrelated to the great war is very similar. I guess the mentality of the school yard bully never changes from generation to generation. Face to face they are a coward, yet behind the keyboard they display the bravado of a swarming juvenile crowd. Gang Bangers I think the term is.
Only these guys use verbal attacks (word games and show a skill of twisting what a person says I have not seen since the Gestapo interrogations) and manipulation of facts and records to hide their deeds.
Fortunately as far as the consortium is concerned they have withdrawn support for this years R&D grant of $75,000.00 and have moved on. Since my bypass I have been relieved of several key positions but continue to work on my other passion, riding and flying. And when not doing either, reading this forum is good therapy and keeps the grey matter active. :cool: