Wedge
Public area => The Pub => Features => Topic started by: texasman1979 on April 11th, 2011, 09:16 PM
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Custom profile fields are only needed when custom profile fields are needed. There is a lot of code that gets ran even when you dont have any custom profilr fields anywhere on the forum. I beleive that this entire concept should be made into a optional core feature. I think that the code, comments, if statements to see if there is any, shouldnt be there unless some admin wishes to have a custom profile feild. A stripped version with a package manager that is linked to dl.wedge.org, would give a seriously customizable site with absolutely nothing the admin doesnt wish to be there. Not all admins will want aeva, or even the blog system, and if they change their mind, they then go to the package manager and download, install, then configure, in just a few clicks and pauses. You could even for the sake of presentation thro in some flash animation, of an arantor stick figure working his ass off just to put a little humor in it. :)
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It is already an optional core feature in SMF.
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Well yes, but the code and files to support it come in the default package, but a boolean value is default false. Furthermore, i was using that as an example to express the potential of the package manager, which is getting also a good bit of discussion. And also futhers all our goals for a more modular design with out gutting the software and using twists of what we already have in new and exciting ways. Looking at the package manager as more of a module manager for core parts as well as user defined parts. And im really not trying to piss anyone off, this is just an educated hypothesis.
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All I will say is: speed, security, customisability, pick any two. You cannot have it both ways.
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All I will say is: speed, security, customisability, pick any two. You cannot have it both ways.
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Im beginning to think, arantor, that if i suggested you and nao get together and write a fork of smf, that you would disagree in some manner. Not a single thing that i have said on this forum has gotten even the slightest hint of a positive response. Man i could say wedge is the coolest thing since sliced bread and i really do feel the response would be, wtf, that would go against everything smf stands for. Everything i say is not either an insult or something stupid. Ive read almost every public word on this forum, and im giving my best to contributing intellegent thought and discussion. Really? I didnt think i was that dense, but eveb im thinking i dont add up to a pile of rocks. Tell me how in what way having a much more intuitive and active package manager will hurt wedge. Please, im begging you, how is everything that exits my brain a total load of shit? Lol * maybe after he reads this hell actually laugh instead of scowl. * :)
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Because all I'm seeing is hyperbole and "how we should do it", without regard for the reality of implementation.
You talk about making something like that a plugin, but without any explanation of how to go about doing so, in a way that would be feasible and practical to implement.
Ideas are absolutely wonderful, but there has to be a point whereby someone has to sit down and fucking implement it. Have you ever sat down and done so? Ever sat down and literally taken tens of thousands of code, ripped it apart and rebuilt it from scratch?
When you've done that, when you can look me in the eye and be aware of the *MONTHS* of full time work that's involved in implementing this, then you can start dictating how you think we should do this, because that's where this is going.
Since you came here, you have taken every opportunity to tell us how you think it should be done, and flat out demanded access to the code, and proceeded to demand to be treated as an equal partner, except that that isn't how it works.
I would not come to your site and tell you how I think you should run it, and I certainly would not proceed to keep telling you how you should build it, because it's your vision. You'd tell me where to get fucked if I went to your site and started lecturing you in how to implement things that will take you months to implement, especially if it might conflict with where your plans for the future are.
Now, maybe you will understand why I'm so pissed off. Hopefully tomorrow I won't feel such towering raging fury as I do right now.
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Fuck man, smile!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I didnt say a fucking thing about shitting code and having it ready by 8 am tomorrow. You put the ass in hole, for real, but i still love ya man, cause id rather have a guy be a dick to my face, than a pussy behind my back. Smile mother fucker, or im gonna drive to england and whoop your programmer ass. Lol
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LANGUAGE!
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Chill out man..
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@Multiforme, you took the word out of my mouth ;)
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Not a single thing that i have said on this forum has gotten even the slightest hint of a positive response.
im giving my best to contributing intellegent thought and discussion.
Tell me how in what way having a much more intuitive and active package manager will hurt wedge.
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it looks like you don't get the point.
your posts look like: "that's my idea. do it." the answers you get look like "nope. it's the other way for a reason"
problem is that you just react like "I don't core. Do it like I imagined it"
just the short way without the multiple lines you all normally write.
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That does it, im going to post naked pictures of my dog now. Yall asked for it. Lol
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Pff. Texasman, do you have any idea how much time you've wasted here so far, and worse, how much time we've all been losing thanks to your antics?
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And to think that everything is easy said than done, then you are sadly mistaken. You have no idea what Arantor and Nao have been going though. Some of us have been here with them nearly 8 months and you have been with us for...what 1 week? And because:
Since you came here, you have taken every opportunity to tell us how you think it should be done, and flat out demanded access to the code, and proceeded to demand to be treated as an equal partner, except that that isn't how it works.
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I would have been more than happy to piss yall off 8 months ago if i had known this exsisted. Lol ive read several thousand posts of arantors on sm.org, and i also read almost all of the aeva media thread there. Ive read many posts of several of the others here. With that said, i did not come here to run shit. I came here to learn and be invovled. But the very complaints that yall have for smf exsist here just as badly but with fewer people. To smf, yall are stupid annoyances. Where im a stupid annouance to yall. One does not have to be present for 5 years or 5 minutes, to be treated decent. It wouldnt have mattered if i had groveled at your feet or approached as an equal. Lets assume the brash and ballsy amarican is talking trash. That way we can ignore everything he says, as bull shit. Yall are not the worlds greatest programmers, and yall do not have to right to tell me to screw off, which you do so vividly. I spose im stupid at programming cause i chose to play ball with my son on my last days off, or maybe i talk to big for fragile hearts. I know exactly what it takes to do what i suggest, that why i havent done it yet. I fucked up and had a kid instead if give birth to the next good line of code. So sue me. Id love to know how yall can work on wedge full time. How the hell do you pay your rent/electricity/car. you dont get noticed in this world by sitting around waiting for something to happen. You get up and do it. I approached yall in the way that i did to say, im here. I have things to say. Valuable things. I cant and wont kiss your ass. You just aint that special to me. There is more to my words than what your seeing. Are you going to care enough to look? Get pissed, ive been pissed for a decade. Youll see the value, soon enough.
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Use proper paragraphs if you want to be read. This isn't paper, it's a computer screen that fatigues your eyes much more than paper.
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Lets assume the brash and ballsy amarican is talking trash
OK, so let me spell it out for you, and I'll be sure to use small words so you can understand me.
We started Wedge because we had a vision, of what we wanted to see. Everything that's happened since you came here began to taint that vision.
We weren't building Wedge for you. We were building it for us, plain and simple, it just so happened that what we wanted mostly coincided with what everyone else wanted.
If you thought otherwise, I'm sorry you didn't bother to read what was put in front of you.Id love to know how yall can work on wedge full time
Though, I do have some money from an inheritance that allows me to spend some time doing what I love rather than doing what I need to.I cant and wont kiss your ass
One does not have to be present for 5 years or 5 minutes, to be treated decent.
I have better things to do than argue with you, I try to see the good in people, and when you first turned up on sm.org, with grand ideas, I was impressed. I thought you were quietly mad, because you had bigger ideas than anyone else I'd seen with SMF attempt, and I knew SMF's limitations would eventually have to be overcome, but I quietly had a lot of respect for the balls you had. The more you posted on sm.org, and later here, the more I realised that your ego is carrying you, that you really don't have the skills to carry out your grand plan.
I am well aware of my limitations as a programmer. Your ego blinds you from yours.
The bottom line: I will not be involved in a project with you, plain and simple. You have no respect for the community you're part of, that's obvious, as it's taken too much time to have to deal with you.
Have fun.
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As for me... My reasons for working full time on Wedge are my own.
Limitations as a programmer? They're bound to experience, mostly. Logic has little room in what we do. It is not needed much to develop Wedge. What's needed is a lot of TIME and PATIENCE. The ability to jump back to one's feet when one's been spending days working on fixing a bug that turned out to be an easy one, only not seen from the right side. The desire to execute a vision and accept that if even half of that vision is accomplished, it's good enough because at least one showed the way and perfection doesn't exist anyway. One needs to accept that they can't do everything alone, either. Even if you do 80% of the work on a project, be thankful for those who bring the remaining 20%, because your work would probably be worthless it if it wasn't for them. Learn to discuss things with others, know when to make your point and when to listen, know who's in charge and how to convince them that your vision is worth it.
Things like that... Little things where logic has no room, really. Oh, I would so like to be able to say that my little grey cells made me what I am today. Sure, I'm smart and Pete is the same. But most developers are smart, otherwise they'd be more interested in watching Dancing with the Stars on TV. What makes the difference is patience, understanding and a burning desire to achieve your goal.
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OK feel free to slap my hand hard here if I'm out of line.. :o
What I would like to see is a Alpha version completed with the things that Nao and Arantor have already thought of putting into Wedge.
Suggestions should always be welcomed as it gives a plan for the future.
If they tried to implement all the wizz bang things all the people want into the first release we would soon be in the same situation that smf is in, six years and still no gold, while other software has progressed way beyond smf.
Just my 2 phennings worth. I'm not a coder, I'm a Admin who has had to switch a few sites for customers to V-Bull because of the slow development of smf 2.
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What I would like to see is a Alpha version completed with the things that Nao and Arantor have already thought of putting into Wedge.
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What I would like to see is a Alpha version completed with the things that Nao and Arantor have already thought of putting into Wedge.
This is the kind of answer I would have expected from the kiddies at smf forums, makes a statement that everyone here knows, and adds nothing to what I said.
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@dazed: if you want I can add a big smile and some flowers (oh wait, let me find a nice pic of flowers...)!
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dazed: That was uncalled for! Lorenzo was only trying to help.
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Be patient or else... (Note: not elseif :P ).
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Syntax error: Nothing to do for else :D
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OK feel free to slap my hand hard here if I'm out of line.. :o
What I would like to see is a Alpha version completed with the things that Nao and Arantor have already thought of putting into Wedge.
We can, however, release a demo site at any point. The details are being discussed in private.If they tried to implement all the wizz bang things all the people want into the first release we would soon be in the same situation that smf is in, six years and still no gold, while other software has progressed way beyond smf.
They froze SMF2's feature set in late 2007. Everything after that was supposed to be focused on fixing bugs. Quite frankly, 3 years of bug fixing? That's ridiculous. Laziness on the SMF team's part. Everything they do seems to be about discouraging action. Look at this(http://dev.simplemachines.org/mantis/view.php?id=4675) bug report -- easy fix, done in under an hour in Wedge. A week in, they still think it's a problem on Aaron's setup.Just my 2 phennings worth. I'm not a coder, I'm a Admin who has had to switch a few sites for customers to V-Bull because of the slow development of smf 2.
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I'm slapping you, not because you're out of line, but because you shouldn't ask questions, then insult people who answer you.
And Lorenzo told you the exact answer: you can't see an Alpha version because we can't release it.
We can, however, release a demo site at any point. The details are being discussed in private.
If they tried to implement all the wizz bang things all the people want into the first release we would soon be in the same situation that smf is in, six years and still no gold, while other software has progressed way beyond smf.
SMF isn't in that situation because of that... On the contrary. They're stuck because they're not implementing anything and they got bored. (Well, from what I could gather.)
They froze SMF2's feature set in late 2007. Everything after that was supposed to be focused on fixing bugs. Quite frankly, 3 years of bug fixing? That's ridiculous. Laziness on the SMF team's part. Everything they do seems to be about discouraging action. Look at this(http://dev.simplemachines.org/mantis/view.php?id=4675) bug report -- easy fix, done in under an hour in Wedge. A week in, they still think it's a problem on Aaron's setup.
Eh, we announced Wedge back in November, not our fault if you can't trust us :angel:
To any others here. I do apologize and I regret flying off the handle. I like Pete don't like someone telling me something that I already know. So I'l just go back to reading and stay quiet for a while.
Cheers. :angel:
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I was going through the old topics in this board and came upon this one.
Having actually modified how custom profile fields work, I can say that in reality this was even more misguided than I suspected before; the amount of performance change by disabling CPF was negligible - but not because of inefficiency.
In fact, a cached version of the fields to use was stored and immediately available, so if CPFs were disabled, the code simply wasn't run.
I do see the point being made, and interestingly here we are 6 months later and having had a discussion about this very point, as has been discussed only today about splitting off the PM and memberlist features into their own plugins.
I think, though, that the way the discussion was reached was absolutely in spite of the above crap, and solely because it was noted that the plugin manager would make it vastly more feasible to make these things plugins.
Interestingly, even with the power of the plugin system, I can't really see CPFs being a plugin, or indeed some of the other 'more core' features, simply because while yes there is a benefit to be had, there are other things that have to be given up to achieve it.