"Paid for" shit & shame on the SMF team

Nao

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #75, on July 30th, 2011, 07:11 PM »
Quote from Arantor on July 30th, 2011, 07:05 PM
You know as well as I do that once you signed the CLA you no longer had the right to remove your own posts as I proved a short while ago.
Well, you signed it and you still were able to remove thousands of posts manually... I could do that, too. If I weren't banned of course...

Also, that doesn't imply there's a *logic* in keeping my posts and censoring what they want.
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Best decision I ever made was removing my account for a second time. In hindsight I shouldn't even have bothered setting up that account because it hasn't brought me anything but hassle.
+1.

I'd remove it, too... If I could remove my posts as well.

Arantor

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #76, on July 30th, 2011, 07:19 PM »
I was, only until they noticed, and subsequently I wasn't able to. The assumption is that you'd use the ability responsibly but that you cannot demand them to remove your posts because the CLA gives them the right to use them.
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runic

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #77, on July 30th, 2011, 07:41 PM »
CLA should only give right to official posted ones

Arantor

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #78, on July 30th, 2011, 07:47 PM »
Nope, read the CLA again. The definition of contributed works extends to "documenting the works", i.e almost any post of sm.org can be claimed under that definition if it discusses any aspect of SMF, of using it or mods that work with it.

DoctorMalboro

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #79, on July 30th, 2011, 08:25 PM »
You never thought on deleting the mod, Nao? Why keeping it there when they don't even want it to appear in the front page as it deserves...

Nao

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #80, on July 30th, 2011, 08:32 PM »
The only reason is that I don't want smf users to have to settle on some shitty mod (sm* galler*, shh!) instead. But then again, if they don't switch to Wedge when it's out, means they don't care about their media area so I'll remove AeMe from smf when Wedge is out.
The difference now is that if smf doesn't undo their changes, I could care less about AeMe over there. The losers are their users -- and, ultimately, them.

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Stick a FORK in it, it's done.
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Nao

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #82, on July 30th, 2011, 09:34 PM »
I don't own the copyright. Smf does. It's their lifestyle :niark:

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #84, on July 30th, 2011, 11:43 PM »
Quote from runic on July 30th, 2011, 05:00 PM
but taking a guess when the issue is right in your face isnt something that is right
Agreed. Basic Support can maybe get away with starting off by saying "This may be just a guess but..." 
But, when they have the word "Specialist" in their title then one would expect them not only to know all aspects of the product that they are supporting but also to read every support request possible and understand them completely before offering their solutions.

 ;)

runic

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #85, on July 31st, 2011, 12:16 AM »
See there my issue, for myself and I have to say it is a small amount but to me some of the people in support team arent support material yes they help but they arent efficient, people wonder why Illori is usually short and simple answers, simple, she is one of the few support specialists that do support and at that she is willing to ask people if what she has suggested is right etc but for amount of topics there are then it makes sense.  This issue is not limitted to Support, there are a few cus team members I wonder what they do.  For me I do most of the the theme approval, I dont do much support as im a cranky bastard most of the time, and with all the personal shit on my life atm I am even crankier (darn I had Arantor as a secret admin on my forum as alot of the issues evolved round my forum and I needed a cool head to run place)

Kat

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #86, on July 31st, 2011, 01:34 PM »
Which is my point, in extremis.

Support isn't for the benefit of SMF and it's team. It's for the benefit of the users.

That's why, even now, I'd return to the support team, if this "Paid-for support" shit was sorted out.

Nao

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #87, on July 31st, 2011, 01:41 PM »
So, regarding my issue with the Aeva Media censorship...

Is anyone in the SMF team in charge of dealing with this?
Will I have to clearly speak out the names of the two people involved in the censorship, and who clearly overstepped their role limits? This also means I take the matter in my own hands, and it's not going to be pretty.

Or will this all be dealt with internally, my page restored to normalcy and a formal apology be issued on the incident?

Arantor

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #88, on July 31st, 2011, 02:49 PM »
I suspect the current state of play (i.e. censored) is how the team, for the most part, see it as resolved. Don't expect it to be restored (there's no edit history AFAIK), don't expect an apology. We have seen how these people work, and nothing will change unless you make it change because from their POV, it's done. Plus you know if you remove AeMe because of this, it'll be seen as *your* fault not theirs, because you'd be the one to remove it, so you're fucked either way.

This... this is why I'm so pissed off with things, because god forbid they should talk to us about it first or try and reach a compromise that's, well, satisfactory for both sides. And I find it hilarious how they have talked about trying to take the moral high ground in all of this - as though we're the ones at fault.

As for my leaving places, it's not just any one place in particular; I actively feel tainted pretty much everywhere, so I've removed my account from Bryan's site, closed my account as best as I am able on Meaningles, stated the situation as far as SD is concerned (I'm going to finish what I've started, which is one converter, the plugins that I've started so far, and issue the release build of SD itself) then remove my account there.

I'll leave my DzinerStudio account open because a couple of sites I look after use their themes and I'm really not up to porting the themes and the sites to Wedge for a while given how much stuff I wrote for them originally (which would in any case have to be rewritten for Wedge - and as much as I'm in favour of porting to Wedge ASAP, I have to be pragmatic about it; these sites aren't mine per se, I just look after them as and when they need it, and if it isn't broken they don't want it tampered with, plus SMF meets their needs admirably - it's not like they're even using AeMe.)

Kat

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Re: "Paid for" shit.
« Reply #89, on July 31st, 2011, 05:19 PM »
Funny how this thread's turned into an SMF slag-fest.

Pity, really, because it rather detracts from what my original post was about.

I felt pretty strongly about the ol' "Paid-for support" thing and I was hoping to see whether my opinions were total bollox, tiz all...

For the record, though, I was (Maybe even still am!) Vice-President of SMF. Even I didn't have the ability to change people's avatars and all that shit.

Support team members and even the lead(s) can't either. Unless, of course, something pretty dramatic has changed, there, since I left. Which I, somehow, doubt.