texasman1979

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Re: Wap2, imode?
« Reply #30, on April 6th, 2011, 02:09 AM »Last edited on April 7th, 2011, 04:49 AM by texasman1979
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Re: Wap2, imode?
« Reply #31, on April 6th, 2011, 02:19 AM »
By that last paragraph do you mean don't  imitate SMF or phpBB and the likes?
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texasman1979

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Re: Wap2, imode?
« Reply #32, on April 6th, 2011, 02:20 AM »
what i mean is, if you going to wedge it, wedge the shit out of it.  :D

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Re: Wap2, imode?
« Reply #33, on April 6th, 2011, 02:21 AM »
Quote from Arantor on April 5th, 2011, 11:18 PM
Great, so in addition to trying to handle PHP, MySQL, various server systems, and learn iOS in my spare time, we gotta learn desktop programming as well...

Honestly, I can tell you now, to save you wasting any more time on this, we are not going to do it. Someone else can deal with all the issues that arise, because we have better things to burn our time on.
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I assume the number lines in the coding, memory, server resources would also follow suit...  :hmm:

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texasman1979

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Re: Wap2, imode?
« Reply #34, on April 6th, 2011, 02:24 AM »
you got to remember, each client has a computer also. :)

if the server is running thin, pass it to theirs, they got plenty.  :D

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Re: Wap2, imode?
« Reply #35, on April 6th, 2011, 02:33 AM »
Quote from texasman1979 on April 6th, 2011, 02:24 AM
you got to remember, each client has a computer also. :)

if the server is running thin, pass it to theirs, they got plenty.  :D
But there's no way to know what kind of computer it is. It might be a smartphone, with limited capacity and/or network bandwidth.
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texasman1979

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Re: Wap2, imode?
« Reply #36, on April 6th, 2011, 02:54 AM »Last edited on April 7th, 2011, 04:48 AM by texasman1979
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Snape

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Re: Wap2, imode?
« Reply #37, on April 6th, 2011, 03:26 AM »
Bringing this slightly back on topic- namely, the mobile experience- I'd like to take this a step further without hopefully ending up in the wedge wishlist area that you guys didn't want this to devolve into...

Looking at the various attempts to make SMF mobile detect friendly, I was actually thinking what about taking that to the next level supporting locations in a forum software package?  There are things users may want/not want enabled when logged in from a mobile device/work computer/home computer.  What would be the logic behind tying user preferences to the user's source IP address, which could be assigned a location tag?  Therefore if a user wants to have in-line images disabled at work or an arcade link active from home, they could be set within those profile locations.

Too complex?  More trouble than its worth?

texasman1979

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Re: Wap2, imode?
« Reply #38, on April 6th, 2011, 03:43 AM »Last edited on April 7th, 2011, 04:48 AM by texasman1979
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Re: Wap2, imode?
« Reply #39, on April 6th, 2011, 05:37 AM »
There a lot of stuff that should and can be added... but if they add everything, why the hell code mods?

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Re: Wap2, imode?
« Reply #40, on April 6th, 2011, 10:50 AM »
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look at the source on a facebook page. the whole thing really is some form of java. and the server picks up on what version it needs to prepare and then sends it.
And it's as buggy as hell, and the mobile versions (of which there are now multiple, separate versions) do a whole lot less.

The other thing is most of that JS is used for semi-realtime updates against their massive server farm of which the PHP is mostly compiled with Hiphop; neither of these things (server farm, compiled PHP) are available to the vast bulk of users who would use Wedge, and I'm damned if I'm going to spend hours and hours trying to explain to idiots who just can't or won't read how to install it. Been there, thanks, I used to be support for Sphinx, the search component, and that was bad enough on trying to get people to compile it.

One other word that springs to mind with JS: accessibility. Show me a decent visual-impaired browser that can handle all the changes Javascript makes to the page without screwing it up and I'll show you many, many more users who don't have that.

Yes, it's all well and good to shoot for the stars and kick off a whole new paradigm, but that isn't where we're going, not yet. Wedge 1.0 is the retooling of SMF with new features and overhauling a number of things that should have been done years ago, not paradigm shifting.

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Re: Wap2, imode?
« Reply #41, on April 6th, 2011, 12:23 PM »
@Snape> Not worth it I'd say. Platform-specific though, maybe.

Re: using client side to generate pages: no. I can see how it's technically doable, and several sites are doing it already, but accessibility-wise it's just a bag of shit and troubles, disabling JS means the website isn't even viewable at all, and, well... If it were something realistic to consider, don't you think more websites would be doing that? ;)

Re: chat, just because I don't like that doesn't mean I'm not open to implementing one for the vanilla Wedge, but I don't think it'd be very wise either.

There are many techs that allow communication between clients but none of them is really perfect. Even WebSockets has its drawbacks (and believe me, the more HTML5-propaganda tech I could use, the better for Wedge.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_technology

Problem is, there's nothing preventing the addition of a chat system, as long as it's not updated automatically through any of these techs. Meaning, YOU refresh the page yourself. I think there are better techs to communicate in real time than a website anyway. Facebook does its best but even then, they have yet to release a perfect tool IMHO. This is really why I like Noisen/wedge.org's thought system so well (in Wedge.org it's only for the Friends group, so go to noisen.com if you want to see it in action), it's because it's closer to the type of conversation you get on Twitter -- where, I believe, no one complains that they can't actually chat in real time...?

NB: can't bother to re-read the entire topic to see if I missed anything. Feel free to wake me up in case I forgot something.

texasman1979

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Re: Wap2, imode?
« Reply #42, on April 6th, 2011, 02:07 PM »Last edited on April 7th, 2011, 04:47 AM by texasman1979
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Re: Wap2, imode?
« Reply #43, on April 6th, 2011, 03:12 PM »
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