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Other software / Re: Arantor back on SMF Team!
Nao « on October 13th, 2013, 01:18 AM »
Suggestion: just look at wedge.org, elkarte.net and whatever demo site they have for SMF 2.1.

I'm not saying the competition is bad. I'm saying they just never had a chance to keep up with us. Amf was busy fighting internally, and elk is too young and there are too many cooks in the kitchen IMHO. Thus, they spend most of their time fixing bugs.
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Other software / Re: Arantor back on SMF Team!
Nao « on October 11th, 2013, 11:06 PM »
Quote from Arantor on October 10th, 2013, 10:03 PM
Here's an idea. Read my posts.
The novels?
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Better idea: ask me rather than pointlessly speculating about this crap.
Again: why waste time on this? I said it above: I'm no longer into flame wars. They're an utter waste of my precious time. I already didn't have enough time on my hands back when you did half[1] of the work on Wedge.
You got overwhelmed, too, but you didn't have my optimism, so you left. It's definitely not the highlight of your career, and I'm sure you'll agree. No need to elaborate on that for days on end.

So, apparently, you still need an answer from me, so I'll be answering your post... But I'm not happy about that. I'm going to have to say unpleasant things, things I'd rather have kept for myself. Read or ignore, it's your call.
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I left Wedge because I was unhappy at the relationship Nao and I had.
The extent of which I only learned after you left. I don't have fantastic people skills, but yours..?
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The fact that I'm now the bad guy and on the wrong end of some of his attitude in various places is a side matter.
What did you expect? You're the one who left the project. I'm the one who's struggling hard to look into the admin are and get up to speed with what you did on it, so that I can work on it too in the future. I wouldn't have had to do it if you hadn't left, so I have all reasons to be unhappy with your departure. So, as I said: you left. Don't expect Wedge followers to send you flowers, and don't think that SMF followers won't fear that you end up doing the same for SMF, in a few months. You are well known in the forum community as an unstable person. And that's your own doing. How many times did you remove your sm.org account, already..?
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I then did attempt to contribute some small things to SMF and ran into the brick wall that was Github. And didn't want to because of the hassle I was experiencing. I subsequently found a better Git tool than the skanky Github for Windows tool and have not had any problems since.
Which one? Tortoise? Smart? GitExtensions?
To me, any tool is just the same story: they don't show rev numbers. Even if I tag a release, it won't show the number of commits since that tag, I have to do 'git rev-list' or 'git describe --tags' on the command line, which sucks. At least, Mercurial has out-of-the-box supports for rev numbers, so if definitely has my preference, at least in the future.

Anyway, in recent weeks, you only mentioned git as 'an additional obstacle' on joining SMF. And, again, after everything you said about SMF, and its team in particular, it's always baffling to see you completely back out on what you said before. And, contributing your Wedge code to SMF? Definitely not cool, man. Yes, you can do it. But don't expect my sympathy afterwards.
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Meanwhile other events were going on (such as the project manager leaving, certain comments were also made in public that made me believe there were some distinct amounts of backstabbing going on) that made me say I weren't interested in collaborating with the SMF team.
Yep. And suddenly, poof, it's like it never happened. Next thing you know, you're gonna tell me they never backstabbed me either, and they were hours away from offering me a dev position when someone decided to kick me out instead.
See, these things happen because of people, not because of the concept behind the team. And these people-- most of them are still here. And you're suddenly very forgiving towards them.
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So while all this was going on, I was working on Pyrapage, exploring some of my ideas, before realising I was so far out of my depth I was likely to drown.
Why don't I get that feeling when working alone on Wedge, then..?
Oh, maybe because I'm more realistic than you are, when it comes to sorting between feature suggestions and determining which are realistic goals, and which aren't?
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And here we are. I don't see that I'm being unpredictable, it just appears that way because you don't have the full story.
How can I get the full story if you're only willing to share it in obscure hidden comments in a SMF mod you know I'll never see..? That wasn't cool back then, and it still isn't.
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And the bits you do have, you choose to ignore for whatever reason.
I chose to ignore your whims, because I already went through these last year, and I knew (well, I thought I knew) that they were part of you, and discussing them could only bring more frustration. 90% of the time, we worked alone on our areas of expertise, occasionally asking for each other's opinions on what would be best here or there. It worked *great*. We did that for the better of these three frigging years. And if you disagree with that, then it's you who's ignoring reality, not me.
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Here's a thought. Nao, maybe if you didn't have your head so far up your own ass all the time, that you can't hear anything for shit, none of this would have happened.
Nice of you.
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I'm mostly disappointed about how little some of you actually think of me.
Seriously? I'm the one who should be saying that...
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Keep your pity. Give it to someone who might actually find some use for it.
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Ah, well. If you need to prove yourself, young grasshopper, then set yourself a reasonable goal, and keep at it. And don't work with anyone, because you'll only end up comparing yourself to them.
 1. To make things simple.
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Other software / Re: Arantor back on SMF Team!
Nao « on October 10th, 2013, 12:31 PM »
Old news, it's been at least a week or two... :P

I would comment on this, but I've already done it elsewhere...
http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=511570.msg3617460#msg3617460

To be specific, this is also the topic where Arantor first came up with the 'idea' of rejoining the team.
You'll also notice that all of his ideas are to take Wedge features and put them into SMF.

Just a month ago, he did say that he'd never join the SMF team... Anything but them, eh? Now, these days, he's speaking FOR the SMF team.

So, basically, nothing new. Pete is unpredictable, and he'll be unpredictable in the SMF team just as well. He's just been, let's say... back-porting 1% of his Wedge additions into SMF, very thoughtfully trying to limit the impact that Wedge will have upon SMF users once it's out. Thus, putting even more pressure on me to (1) release Wedge to the public, (2) keep the license closed, so that Wedge has at least some edge over SMF. I'm not exactly sure what he wants... But, it's not very friendly to me, despite anything he'll say.

Ah well, who cares. Wedge is close to public alpha status, so, whatever.